scott wrote:
>> I mean, I'm sure MS can do a clone of Firefox with little effort since 
>> it has HUGE resources, they have the programing languages, the 
>> programes and the time and money it would require, so I don't 
>> understand why MS can do it?
> 
> Because they think their programmers will make the company more 
> successful by working on other stuff?  It's not like they have 1000 
> programmers sitting around twiddling their thumbs with nothing to do.
> 
> 
For all the MS software out there, they have at least 1000 programmers 
on pay roll, besides MS have recruited some of the best ones with their 
programming Olympics or something like that.

Well, as someone says: you can manage to fuk up even the simplest thing 
to do. Or something like that. There is effort and sacrifice in every 
single thing crafted by men, so maybe I was too harsh on MS, maybe 
they're solving problems so complicated that the common-sense-level ones 
goes by their side without being noticed. But is very annoying anyway 
and they replicate IN EVERY WINDOWS VERSION, including Vista: you look 
for something that you think sgould be there and guess what MS manages 
to put it in a place you'd never think of, not in the same features but 
is the same behavior in all versions. The word INTUITIVE must not be 
very popular in MS...

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> Yeah, I think of all the versions of Windows I've used, I preferred 2K 
> over the others.  In fact, the VMware machine that I have with Windows in 
> it has 2000, and it was originally built about 7 years ago.
> 
> Jim

And there is Win2000 Lite, I've found out about it a few days ago, damn, 
if I'd only had know about it earlier... how? www.nlite.com

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:41:02 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Yeah, I think of all the versions of Windows I've used, I preferred 2K
>> over the others.  In fact, the VMware machine that I have with Windows
>> in it has 2000, and it was originally built about 7 years ago.
>> 
>> Jim
> 
> And there is Win2000 Lite, I've found out about it a few days ago, damn,
> if I'd only had know about it earlier... how? www.nlite.com

Huh, I never heard of that one.

But that site seems to link to one of those domain-squatter "search" 
pages.

Jim

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Saul Luizaga wrote:
> scott wrote:
>>> I mean, I'm sure MS can do a clone of Firefox with little effort 
>>> since it has HUGE resources, they have the programing languages, the 
>>> programes and the time and money it would require, so I don't 
>>> understand why MS can do it?
>>
>> Because they think their programmers will make the company more 
>> successful by working on other stuff?  It's not like they have 1000 
>> programmers sitting around twiddling their thumbs with nothing to do.
>>
>>
> For all the MS software out there, they have at least 1000 programmers 
> on pay roll, besides MS have recruited some of the best ones with their 
> programming Olympics or something like that.
> 
> Well, as someone says: you can manage to fuk up even the simplest thing 
> to do. Or something like that.
I don't know for sure, because my own experience is somewhat limited, 
but I think most people who done some thinking on writing good quality 
software agree that putting too many (>2) too intelligent (IQ>120) 
people on a complicated task is the best way to ensure that you get a 
program that a) works to specification b) has bugs in the specification 
that no less intelligent person could have exploited and c) is 
unmaintanable.
> There is effort and sacrifice in every 
> single thing crafted by men, so maybe I was too harsh on MS, maybe 
> they're solving problems so complicated that the common-sense-level ones 
> goes by their side without being noticed. But is very annoying anyway 
> and they replicate IN EVERY WINDOWS VERSION, including Vista: you look 
> for something that you think sgould be there and guess what MS manages 
> to put it in a place you'd never think of, not in the same features but 
> is the same behavior in all versions. The word INTUITIVE must not be 
> very popular in MS...

My guess is that in redmont they don't use a MS Windows system, 
otherwise a couple of annoying features would have been fixed in w98. 
OTOH I heard a rumour that Vista (not using Vista myself) has become 
multitasking and that if something goes wrong during a multifile copy 
you can now clean up the problem and continue. Or perhaps it was that 
they merely finally added a 'no to all' to the 'file exists, replace?' 
modal box. On the gripping hand, if they done the latter they could be 
sued by Windows/Total Commander and the like for using there monopoly to 
force out smaller companies by adding extensions to the OS (using OS in 
the perverse way that seems to have become common since MS-windows).

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:29:12 +0100, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom>  
wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:41:02 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:
>> And there is Win2000 Lite, I've found out about it a few days ago, damn,
>> if I'd only had know about it earlier... how? www.nlite.com
>
> Huh, I never heard of that one.
>
> But that site seems to link to one of those domain-squatter "search"
> pages.


Try this one:
http://www.nliteos.com


-- 
FE

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On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:03:08 +0100, Fredrik Eriksson wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:29:12 +0100, Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom>
> wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:41:02 -0400, Saul Luizaga wrote:
>>> And there is Win2000 Lite, I've found out about it a few days ago,
>>> damn, if I'd only had know about it earlier... how? www.nlite.com
>>
>> Huh, I never heard of that one.
>>
>> But that site seems to link to one of those domain-squatter "search"
>> pages.
> 
> 
> Try this one:
> http://www.nliteos.com

Ah, that's better - thanks. :-)

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> But that site seems to link to one of those domain-squatter "search" 
> pages.

ah yeah sorry about that.

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On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:46:05 -0600, Saul Luizaga wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> But that site seems to link to one of those domain-squatter "search"
>> pages.
> 
> ah yeah sorry about that.

No problem, got pointed to the right page.  Looks interesting, might even 
come in handy for work. :-)

Jim

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:46:05 -0600, Saul Luizaga wrote:
> 
>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> But that site seems to link to one of those domain-squatter "search"
>>> pages.
>> ah yeah sorry about that.
> 
> No problem, got pointed to the right page.  Looks interesting, might even 
> come in handy for work. :-)
> 
> Jim
VERY, and to complement this u can buy a copy of Acronis True Image, to 
mirror ur C:. For better results move My Documents and all useful data 
to other partitions.

If u need easy manipulation of Partitions u can buy Acronis Disk 
Director Suit.

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On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:50:13 -0600, Saul Luizaga wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 16:46:05 -0600, Saul Luizaga wrote:
>> 
>>> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>> But that site seems to link to one of those domain-squatter "search"
>>>> pages.
>>> ah yeah sorry about that.
>> 
>> No problem, got pointed to the right page.  Looks interesting, might
>> even come in handy for work. :-)
>> 
>> Jim
> VERY, and to complement this u can buy a copy of Acronis True Image, to
> mirror ur C:. For better results move My Documents and all useful data
> to other partitions.
> 
> If u need easy manipulation of Partitions u can buy Acronis Disk
> Director Suit.

Or I could use Ghost or ZENWorks Imaging (the latter being something I'm 
able to get licenses for, since I work for the company <g> and we use it 
for some of our course setups).

The thing we've been trying to resolve is Windows-based product setups.  
Because we're not an OEM, we can't distribute Windows VMs to our training 
partners.  But I personally don't see why we couldn't use sysprep along 
with something like this to build a minimalistic image that we could 
distribute that the partners have to put their license keys into in order 
to use them.  We'd have to clear it all with Microsoft (and our own 
lawyers), but I think it would fly.

Jim

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