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Kevin Wampler <wampler+pov### [at] u washingtonedu> wrote:
> I'll admit that I'm rather surprised that you a consider coherent
> harmonic progression to be a necessary criteria for music to be good.
it's been the main drive behind the works of composers since Bach... it's what
permitted music to hold high status and for Beethoven's sonatas and symphonies
to be compared to Shakespeare's plays. Because the sequence of
tension-resolution chords of tonal music is drama condensed...
> That
> seems rather to me like saying that good poetry should have a coherent
> rhyme pattern.
actually, that's structure.
> Where do you place something like the prelude to Das Rheingold, which
> while tonal has essentially no harmonic progression and is essentially a
> work dealing with orchestral texture?
I don't know. Never heard the prelude. I only know best-known tunes from
operas.
> On the other end, what about
> something like Rite of Spring which has a tonal structure, but one which
> takes many more liberties than in traditional classical music?
generated at the time. You know, tonal is good so double tonal can only be
great! ;)
I think the work wouldn't be as successful if it went the Schoenberg route...
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nemesis wrote:
> you know, that title seems to say absolutely nothing. Nobody listen/reacts to
> music in the same way. In particular, someone who digs rap is not likely to
> take a kick out of Mozart. People in general have a real hard time trying to
> follow or understand the complicated developments, multiple voices and harmony
> of western classical music tradition. Anything with more than an easy melody,
> no percusion and no videoclip is best avoided...
This is why I regards non-fans of Yes as lesser forms of life.
Regards,
John
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John VanSickle wrote:
> This is why I regards non-fans of Yes as lesser forms of life.
It was a nice little revelation when I discovered prog rock -- just nice
to finally hear some rock music with a bit of complexity to it.
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Kevin Wampler wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71hNl_skTZQ
Good God - it's Ross's "Sound"!
--
...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com
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nemesis wrote:
> you know, that title seems to say absolutely nothing. Nobody listen/reacts to
> music in the same way.
While I haven't read the book, I talked to my brother who had. According
to what he said, you're incorrect. Many people react the same way to
music, inside the brain at least.
It's like saying "everybody loves someone different." While true, this
doesn't mean the mechanisms of love aren't something that can be
scientifically investigates, and it doesn't mean that everyone's love
mechanisms are different.
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
It's not feature creep if you put it
at the end and adjust the release date.
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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Many people react the same way to
> music, inside the brain at least.
Most react by moving some or all parts of their body accordingly. Some react by
histerically shaking their heads up and down in huge crowds. Some other react
by impassively analyzing the patterns and colors making up the texture of the
music. nobody reacts the same way...
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nemesis <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Most react by moving some or all parts of their body accordingly. Some react by
> histerically shaking their heads up and down in huge crowds. Some other react
> by impassively analyzing the patterns and colors making up the texture of the
> music. nobody reacts the same way...
That may be a *conscious*, learned way of reacting, but I think the subject
was about how the brain reacts instinctively, subconsciously.
--
- Warp
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Warp wrote:
> That may be a *conscious*, learned way of reacting, but I think the subject
> was about how the brain reacts instinctively, subconsciously.
Yah. I mean, everyone reacts to getting punched in the nose by feeling
pain. It's the *response* to that, running away, punching back, crying,
that differs. That's what I'm trying to say there.
I'll bring it up again after I actually read the book. :-)
--
Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
It's not feature creep if you put it
at the end and adjust the release date.
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Darren New wrote:
> While I haven't read the book, I talked to my brother who had.
> According to what he said, you're incorrect. Many people react the
> same way to music, inside the brain at least.
>
I'm no expert, but this doesn't "ring true." I feel like I have
completely different reactions "inside the brain" to different types of
music and that non-music things sometimes produce identical reactions to
some types of music. So, everyone's reacting to "music" in such a
universal way seems impossible. I suppose much depends on the "music"
used in the study. I could buy that most people react the same way to
Wagner ... but to Ween??
-Shay
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Shay <sha### [at] nonenone> wrote:
> I'm no expert, but this doesn't "ring true." I feel like I have
> completely different reactions "inside the brain" to different types of
> music and that non-music things sometimes produce identical reactions to
> some types of music. So, everyone's reacting to "music" in such a
> universal way seems impossible. I suppose much depends on the "music"
> used in the study. I could buy that most people react the same way to
> Wagner ... but to Ween??
I suppose culture and experience affects how the brain reacts to music,
even at the subconscious/instinctive level.
The brain of an adult person who has never heard any music whatsoever
in his life would probably react in all possible ways differently than
the brain of a person who has composed and played music from age 4 to
adulthood.
Of course these are extreme cases, but it shows that some differences
must exist depending on the culture and experiences of the person.
--
- Warp
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