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From: Invisible
Subject: LOL^2
Date: 7 Jan 2008 04:54:36
Message: <4781f6dc@news.povray.org>
Apparently the folks over at HQ have just implemented a new technology 
known as "home folders" - and it's planned that this idea will be rolled 
out at all sites in the near future.

Oh, wait a sec... we've had that in the UK for the last 6 years. Oh well.

[Seriously... WTF?! The more I work here, the more I wonder just what 
the hell they're *doing* at the other sites. This is pretty basic stuff...]

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: LOL^2
Date: 7 Jan 2008 06:47:35
Message: <47821157@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Apparently the folks over at HQ have just implemented a new technology 
> known as "home folders" - and it's planned that this idea will be rolled 
> out at all sites in the near future.

  Are those "home folders" somehow different from standard unix home
directories, an idea which has existed probably for over 30 years?

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: LOL^2
Date: 7 Jan 2008 07:40:30
Message: <47821dbe$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>> Apparently the folks over at HQ have just implemented a new technology 
>> known as "home folders" - and it's planned that this idea will be rolled 
>> out at all sites in the near future.
> 
>   Are those "home folders" somehow different from standard unix home
> directories, an idea which has existed probably for over 30 years?

Erm... Well, they exist on a network filesystem... Nope, that's about 
the only thing I can think of that makes them in any way different...

[Also amusing was the "If you have anything on C:, please move it to 
your new home folder so we can back it up".]

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From: Warp
Subject: Re: LOL^2
Date: 7 Jan 2008 08:09:07
Message: <47822472@news.povray.org>
Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >   Are those "home folders" somehow different from standard unix home
> > directories, an idea which has existed probably for over 30 years?

> Erm... Well, they exist on a network filesystem... Nope, that's about 
> the only thing I can think of that makes them in any way different...

  There's nothing stopping unix home directories from residing in a
network file system, and in fact that's a very common practice in
multiuser environments.

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: LOL^2
Date: 7 Jan 2008 09:43:47
Message: <47823aa3$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
> Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
>>>   Are those "home folders" somehow different from standard unix home
>>> directories, an idea which has existed probably for over 30 years?
> 
>> Erm... Well, they exist on a network filesystem... Nope, that's about 
>> the only thing I can think of that makes them in any way different...
> 
>   There's nothing stopping unix home directories from residing in a
> network file system, and in fact that's a very common practice in
> multiuser environments.

Well, originally I'm told it was on the local file system - but either 
way, it's a pretty tiny difference.

Also, the new AV software we're rolling out is configured to look for 
updates once per hour. Seriously. Once per hour. I don't know about 
Trend, but Symantec only release updates weekly. Daily if there's a 
serious outbreak. Hourly update checks?? Are you mental?!

Similarly, I just spoke to a user who got 137 emails this weekend 
telling her that she has exceeded her mailbox allocation. OK, so we want 
people to keep their mailbox size down. But 137 emails? Anyway, I 
emailled the server admin, and he changed the notification frequency 
from 1 hour to 4 hours.

Are you seeing a pattern here? Seriously... an email stays there until 
you read it. Why on earth do you need an email every 4 hours to remind 
you to do something? This is silly! Surely daily would be plenty...

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From: Kyle
Subject: Re: LOL^2
Date: 7 Jan 2008 09:45:37
Message: <rhe4o3tk12a1o1sofp0og75k5n8299u4al@4ax.com>
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:40:31 +0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:

>[Also amusing was the "If you have anything on C:, please move it to 
>your new home folder so we can back it up".]

move c:\*.* \\server_name\my_home_directory  

Oops.


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From: scott
Subject: Re: LOL^2
Date: 7 Jan 2008 10:44:50
Message: <478248f2$1@news.povray.org>
> Also, the new AV software we're rolling out is configured to look for 
> updates once per hour. Seriously. Once per hour. I don't know about Trend, 
> but Symantec only release updates weekly. Daily if there's a serious 
> outbreak. Hourly update checks?? Are you mental?!

I think ours (Sophos) is configured for once-per-hour too.  Why not?  I 
suspect only a very small amount of badnwidth is used up to check if an 
update is available, but the benefits could be huge if a serious virus gets 
into your network somehow.

> Similarly, I just spoke to a user who got 137 emails this weekend telling 
> her that she has exceeded her mailbox allocation. OK, so we want people to 
> keep their mailbox size down. But 137 emails? Anyway, I emailled the 
> server admin, and he changed the notification frequency from 1 hour to 4 
> hours.

On the odd occasion that I email (or at least cc) a senior manager in our 
company, there's probably a 50-75% chance that you'll get a message back 
saying their mail-box is full.  Great way to run a company...


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: LOL^2
Date: 7 Jan 2008 11:04:38
Message: <op.t4khh8dgc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:43:47 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did  
spake, saying:

> Also, the new AV software we're rolling out is configured to look for  
> updates once per hour. Seriously. Once per hour. I don't know about  
> Trend, but Symantec only release updates weekly. Daily if there's a  
> serious outbreak. Hourly update checks?? Are you mental?!

Except you may not know when it gets released. A new virus is found, the  
AV boys crank out an update at 13:00; but you don't get it until 23:00  
'cos that's when you've set your system to check for updates. You're  
vulnerable for 4 hours

> Similarly, I just spoke to a user who got 137 emails this weekend  
> telling her that she has exceeded her mailbox allocation. OK, so we want  
> people to keep their mailbox size down. But 137 emails? Anyway, I  
> emailled the server admin, and he changed the notification frequency  
> from 1 hour to 4 hours.

Dear Customer,



administration charge for this warning...

Dear Customer,


charges...

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Phil Cook

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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: LOL^2
Date: 7 Jan 2008 11:16:40
Message: <47825068@news.povray.org>
>> Also, the new AV software we're rolling out is configured to look for 
>> updates once per hour. Seriously. Once per hour. I don't know about 
>> Trend, but Symantec only release updates weekly. Daily if there's a 
>> serious outbreak. Hourly update checks?? Are you mental?!
> 
> Except you may not know when it gets released. A new virus is found, the 
> AV boys crank out an update at 13:00; but you don't get it until 23:00 
> 'cos that's when you've set your system to check for updates. You're 
> vulnerable for 4 hours

Ooo, 4 hours. Big deal...

[I would think it takes a tad more than 4 hours for the AV company to 
even notice there's a new virus spreading, much less perform an 
extensive analysis and write a fix. And let us not forget, having the AV 
signatures is a *cure*, not a prevention.]

> Dear Customer,
> 


> an administration charge for this warning...
> 
> Dear Customer,
> 

> interest charges...

That sounds like a typical bank, yes...

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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: LOL^2
Date: 7 Jan 2008 21:54:01
Message: <4782e5c9$1@news.povray.org>
Warp wrote:
>   There's nothing stopping unix home directories from residing in a
> network file system, and in fact that's a very common practice in
> multiuser environments.

It works a bit differently on Windows. For example, it's the remote 
machine that checks you have permission to read your "home" directory 
instead of the local machine. (Dunno about other UNIX mounting systems, 
but NFS doesn't work that way.)  Plus, the directory gets mounted when 
you log in and dismounted when you log out, because Windows actually has 
network locking semantics for files. And, for example, Windows allows 
some home directories to be mounted locally, others to be mounted 
remotely on a variety of file servers, and there has to be some 
mechanism to tell the "client" machine which is where.

But conceptually, yeah, it's network-mounted home directories. The 
implementation is just harder to support the more complex file semantics 
Windows supports.

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   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     It's not feature creep if you put it
     at the end and adjust the release date.


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