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From: nemesis
Subject: Re: Holograms for camouflage!
Date: 4 Jan 2008 16:05:00
Message: <web.477e9eed2c095560773c9a3e0@news.povray.org>
surely the main problem is that vision comes after smell or hearing for most
animals...


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From: Orchid XP v7
Subject: Re: Holograms for camouflage!
Date: 4 Jan 2008 16:11:40
Message: <477ea10c$1@news.povray.org>
nemesis wrote:
> surely the main problem is that vision comes after smell or hearing for most
> animals...

...just went I thought there couldn't possibly be any more flaws in such 
a small plan, somebody finds one. Yet, quite right sir! (Besides, I hear 
that deer are colour-blind and and lack stereoscopic vision anyway...)

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From: Rune
Subject: Reply
Date: 4 Jan 2008 17:54:18
Message: <477eb91a$1@news.povray.org>
This is what I ended up replying:

Hello [name removed]

Thank you for your mail.

Your idea to use holograms for camouflage sounds very original and exciting! 
Well, exceot for a few small details:

- I doubt that hunters would actually want to carry around and setup 
technology like this, which would be humming, make bright flashes from the 
camera, and require an electricity line for the projector.

- I don't see how wild game will be any more fooled by an image projected 
onto a person than by regular camouflage clothes.

- Many animals use smell and hearing more than their eyes.

- Holograms cannot just be created from any regular photo.

- Holograms cannot just be projected onto any surface.

- The hologram on my website is not even real but a fake animation, which I 
have made clear on this page: http://runevision.com/3d/anims/hologram.asp

But besides those minor details, the project sounds promising. I regret to 
say that I cannot help you with it, but I wish you good luck!

Best regards,
Rune S. Johansen


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From: Vincent Le Chevalier
Subject: Re: Holograms for camouflage!
Date: 4 Jan 2008 18:03:51
Message: <477ebb57@news.povray.org>

> nemesis wrote:
>> surely the main problem is that vision comes after smell or hearing 
>> for most
>> animals...
> 
> ...just went I thought there couldn't possibly be any more flaws in such 
> a small plan, somebody finds one. Yet, quite right sir! (Besides, I hear 
> that deer are colour-blind and and lack stereoscopic vision anyway...)
> 

And even if they do have stereoscopic vision, I wonder how well it works 
at relatively large distances... The human eye at least seem to be 

buildings for example.

-- 
Vincent


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Holograms for camouflage!
Date: 4 Jan 2008 18:14:00
Message: <477EBDC1.6040103@hotmail.com>
Rune wrote:
> Email I got:
> 
> "Hello
> 
> I have an idea to use holograms to aid in camouflage while hunting. My idea 
> is that the hunter could carry a digital camera, photograph the terrain 
> right where he wants to sit and wait for his quarry, upload the photo into a 
> small holographic projector, and then project the image onto himself, or 
> onto a light mesh screen or some other see through fabric as camouflage.
> 
> Would you be interested in teaming up to develop and market this type of 
> product? I have contacts who do the marketing and some development but do 
> not have the expertise in the area of holograms, and also some contacts at 
> Cabela's.
> 
> Thank you for your time.
> 
> [name removed]
> Construction Manager
> TIC - The Industrial Company Wyoming, Inc."
> 
> I don't know what is most funny. That he thinks that holograms can just be 
> created from any regular photo and then projected onto any surface, that he 
> thinks people would actually carry and set up such a kit while hunting [not 
> that I have any experience with hunting, but it sounds clumsy], or that he 
> thinks it would be any useful. I mean, will the dear go like "Ooh, there's 
> some of the forest shaped like a person. How ever more convincing it is than 
> if he had worn regular camouflage clothes!"
> 
> What should I answer...? :D
That it'll probably would result in an arms race where the deer have to 
buy holographic projectors themselves. That that would result in their 
bankruptcy given their low cash status. Which would mean the end of 
hunting.


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From: Tim Attwood
Subject: Re: Holograms for camouflage!
Date: 4 Jan 2008 18:32:55
Message: <477ec227$1@news.povray.org>
>> surely the main problem is that vision comes after smell or hearing for 
>> most
>> animals...
>
> ...just went I thought there couldn't possibly be any more flaws in such a 
> small plan, somebody finds one. Yet, quite right sir! (Besides, I hear 
> that deer are colour-blind and and lack stereoscopic vision anyway...)

I saw a demo of the Microvision projector on TV the other day...
http://www.microvision.com/
So I'd say it might be possible to set up an adaptive camo screen,
http://www.techbriefs.com/content/view/1771/32/
for it to be "holographic" it would need to track the target animal,
this could be done with an indicator that the hunter would use,
or possibly by using an IR camera to guess at the location of
aproaching animals. Something like face tracking for web
cams. Still, it might not work well in low light conditions...

TIC appears to be a construction company,
http://www.tic-inc.com/
I'm guessing that the post is legit, I'm not sure if Microvision
is geared up to produce end products, they're going after the
cell phone market, so they're licensing OEMs.


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: Holograms for camouflage!
Date: 4 Jan 2008 18:56:19
Message: <477ec7a3$1@news.povray.org>
Tim Attwood wrote:
> I saw a demo of the Microvision projector on TV the other day...

Perhaps it would be easier to mount a head-mounted stereoscopic display 
on the buck's antlers before starting to hunt him.

-- 
   Darren New / San Diego, CA, USA (PST)
     It's not feature creep if you put it
     at the end and adjust the release date.


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: Holograms for camouflage!
Date: 4 Jan 2008 20:20:32
Message: <477edb60$1@news.povray.org>
"andrel" wrote:
> That it'll probably would result in an arms race where the deer have to 
> buy holographic projectors themselves. That that would result in their 
> bankruptcy given their low cash status. Which would mean the end of 
> hunting.

Dang, I should have included that one. :P

Rune
-- 
http://runevision.com


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From: Kyle
Subject: Re: Holograms for camouflage!
Date: 4 Jan 2008 23:05:31
Message: <ie0un391rg2c38lscstc6llsauf5as7b2j@4ax.com>
Wouldn't it be better to project a female deer hologram to attract the buck instead of
just
projecting camo?


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From: Leroy
Subject: Re: Holograms for camouflage!
Date: 4 Jan 2008 23:51:43
Message: <477F0C5C.4090600@joplin.com>
When hunting deer you don't want to be totally camouflage.
You might get SHOT!!
Deer are color blind, so you can wear bright orange!


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