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Warp wrote:
>> I mean it was cryptic beyond my powers of comprehension.
>
> I could write a sarcastic and mean comment on your powers of
> comprehension, but I'll skip it this time. ;)
TY. :-}
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Gail Shaw wrote:
>> First there's some monkeys hitting a large black brick.
>
> The monolith on earth, sparking tool usage in proto-humans and kick-starting
> the whole human race.
Oh, is that what that's supposed to be. (What is this monolith thing,
and why is it there?)
>> Then there's a
>> baby floating in space.
>
> OK, I don't remember that. Wait, wasn't that at the end, after Dave
> sees/falls into the monolith?
Possibly... I don't really remember now.
>> Then there's something approximating a bad acid
>> trip.
>
> You mean the space trip to IO to investigate the monolith?
Oh, is *that* why they went there? (And that's where "there" was...)
> Or the end where Dave's experiencing the monolith.
Again, I'm not sure exactly where. But I do remember Futurama did a
parody that was quite amusing...
>> There's also a computer who calls everybody "Dave".
>
> No. It only calls Dave, Dave. But then, seeing as it's killed everyone else,
> there's not really anyone else to speak to.
> btw, the computer's name was HAL 9000
or IBM 8999, if you prefer. ;-)
> The whole theme of the movie/book is evolution of mankind. Natural or
> forced.
Right. This wasn't evident from the film at all.
>> Um... wuh??
>
> Seriously, read the book. It's by Arthur C. Clark. Read Odyssey Two as well.
I did read *a* sequal book - but sure exactly which one. It was quite
depressing, but otherwise fairly incoherant and... wait, was there meant
to be a point?
>> It does look like the kind of film where they tried to fit a giant story
>> into quite a short film - with the result that it makes almost no sense
>> at all. (Unless you already know what's going to happen.)
>
> It is quite a long book. Forget the movie version of it. it wasn't great.
> See if you can find the mini series version (4 parts) That's quite good and
Certainly it looks like the book might well be better than the film. The
*film* was, as I said, incomprehensible.
>> [BTW, did you ever watch the "extended" versions of the three LotR
>> films? My God, they make *so* much more sense!
>
> Yes a few times, but seeing as I've read all the books more than once, they
> made sense anyway.
> Though there are long pieces in the movie that aren't in the books at all.
The final film seems to consist of about 45 minutes of intense battle,
followed by 8 hours of "saying goodbye"...
I've never read the books, but I'm guessing it's not like that. ;-)
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Invisible <voi### [at] dev null> wrote:
> Warp wrote:
> > Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> >> #3 Island of the Twelve Monkeys
> >
> > What is that? IMDB doesn't know it.
>
> It involves Bruce Willis in a dystopian future and a team of scientists
> who keep sending him back in time to try to avert the terrorist
> catastrophy that overtook civilisation - apparently perpetrated by a
> band calling themselves "the island of the twelve monkeys".
It's just Twelve Monkeys. where did you get the island from?
BTW, it's another terrific movie by ex-Monthy Python Terry Gilliam. Try his
"Brazil" or "The fisher king" (or something like that) for far more
"incomprehensible" stuff...
if you want a really incomprehensible movie, watch the Blender-made "Elephant's
Dreams" CG movie... depressing waste of CG...
hmm, come to think of it, Final Fantasy: Advent Child is pretty
incomprehensible for non-fans too... seems like there are too many CG artists
out there while most good story tellers are busy at Pixar...
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nemesis wrote:
> hmm, come to think of it, Final Fantasy: Advent Child is pretty
> incomprehensible for non-fans too... seems like there are too many CG artists
> out there while most good story tellers are busy at Pixar...
No idea about Advent Child - but Spirits Within was fairly hard to
follow. While still managing to be awesom to watch. Until the end, where
you just want to go slit your throat to end the misery...
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"Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:477e49fd$1@news.povray.org...
> Oh, is that what that's supposed to be. (What is this monolith thing,
> and why is it there?)
Alien artifact. To kickstart human evolution.
> Oh, is *that* why they went there? (And that's where "there" was...)
Did you sleep through the first half or something?
> The final film seems to consist of about 45 minutes of intense battle,
> followed by 8 hours of "saying goodbye"...
>
> I've never read the books, but I'm guessing it's not like that. ;-)
>
Pretty much is. In the books, book 5 mostly concerns Gondor and all that
happened there, and book 6 mostly follows the happenings of the hobbits
The battle of Pellanor fields starts on page 83 of the edition I have and
ends around page 140.
The goodbyes start on page 301 and the last page of the book is 378. But
then a lot happens in that that was left out of the movie. The movie did
stretch the ending out far too long. There were so many more things they
could have put in from the book, that they didn't.
(pages 200-300 are Sam and Frodo's trip across Mordor to Mount Doom)
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> #3 Island of the Twelve Monkeys
>
> #2 2001 Space Oddessy.
>
> #1 Dune.
My List:
#3 Shaolin Invincible Guys:
(My friends and I had a contest that went on for years to find
THE worst martial arts film ever made. Upon showing this turkey,
the contest was pronounced over and I was declared victorious.)
#2 The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover
(Friendly warning: this film is considered offensive by several folks
who are generally rather difficult to offend, myself included.)
#1 Outer and Inner Space (Warhol)
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>Invisible <void [at] dev null> wrote:
> The name of the movie is "Twelve Monkeys".
> I don't understand where
> you got the "island" part. I don't even remember
> the world "island" being even mentioned in the movie.
Sometimes, running film titles together can produce
entertaining results:
Best Regards,
Mike C.
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And lo on Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:48:31 -0000, Gail Shaw sa dot com>
<"<initialsurname"@sentech> did spake, saying:
>
> "Phil Cook" <phi### [at] nospamrocainfreeservecouk> wrote in message
> news:op.t4etagikc3xi7v@news.povray.org...
>> And lo on Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:30:29 -0000, Gail Shaw sa dot com>
>> <"<initialsurname"@sentech> did spake, saying:
>
>> > What was confusing about this anyway?
>>
>> 'Oh yes despite not having read the book I completely understood what
>> the
>> chimps and the space baby were all about'
>
> I did. I read the book after watching the movie. Understood if better
> after the book, but the movies didn't leave me going Huh???
Well obviously some of us are more intelligent then others, and by some of
us I mean you and by others I mean me :-)
>> Does that make me a heretic if I said I actually prefered Children and
>> God-Emperor then :-) I just enjoyed the ways they tried to answer some
>> of
>> the paradoxes of prediction and offered some possible solutions.
>
> Not at all. I ran out of patience on the 3rd book. I really prefered the
> first one.
> Each to their own.
Indeed. The third one does drag until Jacurutu, but the forth amused.
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Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> wrote:
> Gail Shaw wrote:
> > The monolith on earth, sparking tool usage in proto-humans and kick-starting
> > the whole human race.
>
> Oh, is that what that's supposed to be. (What is this monolith thing,
> and why is it there?)
why are we here? where do we go? why things are the way they are?
You seem the kind of fellow who goes watching a movie and asking every little
now and then for little details that got past your head. I hope not to sit
next to you at the theater... :P
> > You mean the space trip to IO to investigate the monolith?
>
> Oh, is *that* why they went there? (And that's where "there" was...)
I think that's pretty obvious, no? All that space ballet until they get to the
moon and Dr. Floyd is told of the discovery... then, it cuts to a manned
mission to Jupiter where the tripulants are actually unaware of the real
mission, confided to HAL alone: to search for the giant monolith near the
giant planet. Eventually, the crew's mission conflict with HAL's main mission
and the AI becomes "paranoid", so to speak. The shit hits the fans and it's up
to Dave to turn off HAL to save his life. In the process he discovers the real
purpose and gets to the monolith to know the truth. The bad acid trip could be
seen as the monolith opening a worm whole and getting Dave closer for inspection
by the creators...
the old man seeing the baby in the monolith is an alegory for the life cycle...
Think of the monolith as generators of intelligent life and as beacons for when
such intelligent life are ready for contact...
> > The whole theme of the movie/book is evolution of mankind. Natural or
> > forced.
>
> Right. This wasn't evident from the film at all.
Learn to read in-between lines... if you watched more than you asked you'd get
it...
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Invisible wrote:
> #2 2001 Space Oddessy.
I understood 2001.
I am the future.
You will be assimilated.
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...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com
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Gilles Tran wrote:
> Did you see the movie "Pi"? It's only one letter in greek and about maths,
> I guess you should get it :D
It's not about Math, it's about Numerology.
A horrible disappointment to someone who actually wanted to see a movie
about math :(
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