> I currently use Cream, which is also based on Vim but more accessible. 
> It is available on Linux and Windows:
> http://cream.sourceforge.net/home.html

I thought Cream was just Vim with every single feature turned on and 
then some.

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:

> I thought Cream was just Vim with every single feature turned on and 
> then some.

...Vim has *features*??

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> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> 
>> I thought Cream was just Vim with every single feature turned on and 
>> then some.
> 
> ...Vim has *features*??
> 

So it would seem ;-)

Frankly I don't know enough about Vim to say more about features. Cream 
is just easier for me to use than gVim. It is not modal, for a start :-)

Andrew, what prejudices have you got exactly against Vim?

For a short period, I also tried Crimson Editor and ConText, but gave 
them up due to various issues of configuration:

http://www.context.cx/
http://www.crimsoneditor.com/

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Vincent

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> Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> 
>> I thought Cream was just Vim with every single feature turned on and 
>> then some.
> 
> ...Vim has *features*??
> 

I have used it for over a year and I keep finding features I didn't know 
about.

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> I have used it for over a year and I keep finding features I didn't know
> about.

Same, but make it 3 years. After 2 months of "have-to-use" Vi'ing (there
 wasn't another text editor in certain systems) I stopped using Nano,
since Vi is some much more practical.

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Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:

> Andrew, what prejudices have you got exactly against Vim?

Oh, Vim is an OK text editor. It's just not that fantastic...

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> Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:
> 
>> Andrew, what prejudices have you got exactly against Vim?
> 
> Oh, Vim is an OK text editor. It's just not that fantastic...
> 

Well yes, it's not an operating system ;-)

I don't know, what feature(s) do you miss?

I'm fairly certain I'm using Vim at a fraction of its capacity, so I 
don't feel any incentive to move, personally...

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Vincent

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Vincent Le Chevalier <gal### [at] libertyALLsurfSPAMfr> wrote:
> Cream
> is just easier for me to use than gVim. It is not modal, for a start :-)

which probably means you're using it just like notepad on steroids.

There's nothing faster nor easier for text editing than vi's modal nature.
Nothing can beat "." for repeating the last command nor is copying a whole,
possibly longish, block of text done with such ease as just typing "y}"

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Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:
>> Oh, Vim is an OK text editor. It's just not that fantastic...
> Well yes, it's not an operating system ;-)

It's more unixy than emacs, using shell call-outs to do stuff instead of 
reimplementing every filter and program as an editor macro. :-)

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     at the end and adjust the release date.

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> Vincent Le Chevalier <gal### [at] libertyALLsurfSPAMfr> wrote:
>> Cream
>> is just easier for me to use than gVim. It is not modal, for a start :-)
> 
> which probably means you're using it just like notepad on steroids.
> 

Exactly. And this is plenty enough for my needs...

> There's nothing faster nor easier for text editing than vi's modal nature.
> Nothing can beat "." for repeating the last command nor is copying a whole,
> possibly longish, block of text done with such ease as just typing "y}"
> 

It's only faster or easier when you are used to it. Call me dumb but 
when using vanilla Vim I find myself pressing Esc too much and 
forgetting to press 'i' way too often :-)

Having some of the power of Vim with an interface more similar to other 
common editors is valuable IMHO.

-- 
Vincent

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