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Tom Galvin wrote:
> Why reinvent the wheel?
I was hoping that if I make it simple enough, it will be impossible to
misconfigure it. ;-)
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Gail Shaw wrote:
> University != experience.
True. But my point is that I'm not entirely clueless about what
databases are and how they work. I actually know stuff about this stuff.
> You say that as if you're the only person here who did database courses at
> university. You're not.
I just object to being told I know nothing about databases when actually
I do. I don't claim to be a world-renound expert, but I do know *something*.
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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
>> Right. Apparently you have a different idea of "application" to what I
>> have...
>
> A program to organize your CD collection counts as an application.
Indeed. A different kind of application to the idea I have in mind. :-)
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Gilles Tran wrote:
> So why are you asking newbie questions about ODBC
Because I'm not familiar with that particular technology, and I thought
somebody else here might be. (And I was right...)
> and keep having these
> far-out opinions about things you are visibly ignorant about?
I see. So thinking that transactions matter is "far-out" and "visibly
ingorant"?
> Why can't you
> find the information by yourself? How much difficult it is to actually look
> up the MySQL (or Word, or whatever software or thing baffles you) manual to
> verify your claims?
Um... I did? [At least, I read the MySQL manual, and spent some time
using it.]
> How difficult it is to actually listen to what
> professionals like Darren and Tom and Gail are telling you?
When somebody says "oh yeah, transactions aren't really all that
important" when I spent 4 months learning about how important
transactions are, I have to think "hmm, who is right here?"
> I told you
> before: be ignorant is all right, being and acting clueless much less so. If
> you want to be taken seriously (and expect more than snarky replies in the
> future), don't act like a 15-year old script kiddie.
Some days I wonder why I talk at all...
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Gail Shaw wrote:
> "Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] dev null> wrote in message
> news:476457f1$1@news.povray.org...
>> Darren New wrote:
>>
>>> Know something? The default is also to commit after every statement on
>>> most DBs too. So? :-)
>> Really? I've yet to see that...
>
> How many database variations have you worked with? Oracle and ....
5 points to Gail Shaw.
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Gail Shaw wrote:
> "Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
> news:47642e2a$1@news.povray.org...
>>>> Why do you need to lock things to enforce transactional integrity?
>>>> Locking is only one (suboptimal) way to solve the problem.
>> That's only one way of implementing transactional integrity. (And, IMO,
>> not a very good way.)
>
> So, in your vast experience of databases, how would you do it?
Personally I prefer Oracle's lockless multiversion system - although
obviously that has its own set of drawbacks.
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:33:54 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
> Gail Shaw wrote:
>
>> University != experience.
>
> True. But my point is that I'm not entirely clueless about what
> databases are and how they work. I actually know stuff about this stuff.
>
>> You say that as if you're the only person here who did database
>> courses at university. You're not.
>
> I just object to being told I know nothing about databases when actually
> I do. I don't claim to be a world-renound expert, but I do know
> *something*.
Hey, Orchid's got teeth! :-)
(This is the sort of confidence you NEED to show more often)
Jim
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"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
news:4766b26e$1@news.povray.org...
> On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:33:54 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>
>> Gail Shaw wrote:
>>
>>> University != experience.
>>
>> True. But my point is that I'm not entirely clueless about what
>> databases are and how they work. I actually know stuff about
>> this stuff.
>>
>>> You say that as if you're the only person here who did
>>> database
>>> courses at university. You're not.
>>
>> I just object to being told I know nothing about databases when
>> actually
>> I do. I don't claim to be a world-renound expert, but I do know
>> *something*.
>
> Hey, Orchid's got teeth! :-)
>
So did Audrey (II); friend of Orin Scrivello, DDS.
Barking mad as well as a hot house greenie now, eh?
Uni courses qualify an applicant as much as being a
Microsoft Certified Professional. The former might
make for a trainable PFY for some kindly BOFH.
Rare is the production team that will allow obstructive
newbies to prevent due dates being met.
ObTwainism: "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let
people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:34:37 -0800, pan wrote:
> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:4766b26e$1@news.povray.org...
>> On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:33:54 +0000, Orchid XP v7 wrote:
>>
>>> Gail Shaw wrote:
>>>
>>>> University != experience.
>>>
>>> True. But my point is that I'm not entirely clueless about what
>>> databases are and how they work. I actually know stuff about this
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>>> You say that as if you're the only person here who did database
>>>> courses at university. You're not.
>>>
>>> I just object to being told I know nothing about databases when
>>> actually
>>> I do. I don't claim to be a world-renound expert, but I do know
>>> *something*.
>>
>> Hey, Orchid's got teeth! :-)
>>
>>
>
> So did Audrey (II); friend of Orin Scrivello, DDS.
[...]
My point here is that he's actually stood up and said "now wait just a
damned minute" - something that he has needed to do for a while. I don't
disagree with anything you said about the qualifications, theory and
reality are two entirely different things. But it's good that he's taken
the chance to stand up and say something forceful rather than to just say
"oh, OK, I guess I'm dumb" and slink off into the darkness.
It takes practice to stand up and do that. It takes experience to know
when it's the right thing to do, and that's something that comes with
time.
So I still say "well done!"
Jim
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"Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:4766a720@news.povray.org...
>
> Personally I prefer Oracle's lockless multiversion system - although
> obviously that has its own set of drawbacks.
Yup. Storage/memory
SQL's got that now too. I considered switching one of my main apps over to
use version store rather than locking, but I didn't have a compelling reason
to do so.
Locking is a minimal overhead when transactions are kept short.
> --
> http://blog.orphi.me.uk/
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