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"Nicolas Alvarez" <nic### [at] gmail isthebestcom> wrote in message
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>> Does anyone have a site that has high quality screenshots of Riven? It
>> would make for some good desktop background I think. Off to search for
>> some :)
>
> I wish the makers would release a new version with HD-size images, instead
> of 640x480 and palleted colors.
>
> Or better: release the 3d files :>
> (I wonder what software they used)
I think I remember them having used LightWave.
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> Riven and Exile.
>
> I actually got pretty far in Riven, but then I hit a wall as I
described.
> Exile seemed so difficult right from the beginning that it wasn't very
> addictive. Perhaps I should try it again.
I would recommend trying out Myst. I remember Riven having some extremely
difficult puzzles in the middle, probably around where you got stuck. Myst
wasn't a cakewalk either, but it didn't require figuring out a new number
system or anything like that.
- Slime
[ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]
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Slime wrote:
> I would recommend trying out Myst. I remember Riven having some extremely
> difficult puzzles in the middle, probably around where you got stuck.
That is true. There are a few things in Riven where you're expected to
work out arbitrary relationships, rather than figuring out things based
on reality. (And a couple places where it's like "I know four of the
five things I need to know, gotta guess the fifth.") Revelation had even
*more* of those, which is why I ddin't like it as much.
In Exile, what you need to do is pretty straightforward, I think, even
if how you accomplish it wasn't. Altho I admit there were a couple of
places where the first time I just futzed with a puzzle until it went
"ding!" and only after realized what I was *supposed* to be doing.
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Darren New wrote:
> So have you played the fifth Myst game? Have you played something else I
> haven't mentioned?
If Myst is too hard, try this...
http://pac-txt.com/
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In article <475cd321@news.povray.org>, dne### [at] sanrrcom says...
> Have you played the games from the Myst series? What's your favorite
> age? (Try to avoid spoilers, probably. No serious spoilers below.)
>
> I liked Channelwood (and the path to its linking book) a lot from the
> first Myst, and the path to get to the Shipstone age on the original
> Myst island. (I.e., Shipstone itself wasn't that great, but getting
> access to Shipstone was clever.) Selenic was kind of silly, with the
> maze and all, completely out of character I thought. I enjoyed the
> mechanical age too, just figuring out where the pages might be (spoilers
> avoided). I was kind of stuck on Myst for a while, even opening up the
> clues and going "huh?", until I realized I really needed to get my sound
> card fixed to be able to understand what the blinking "tower rotation"
> light was all about. :-)
>
> I think Myst did a great job of driving a plot without being obnoxious
> about it. There's a natural boundary - you're on an island. You get
> suckered into it, so there's no need to accept any particular backstory:
> could have happened to anyone. It almost made sense that you'd leave the
> combination to combination locks sitting around but obsfucated (altho,
> again, why would you lock doors on an uninhabited world?).
>
> Riven was fun, too. I liked getting into Gehn's lab, and the ride to get
> there. That, and realizing that "hey, I can actually look to see where
> the walkways go, and from that deduce where I need to go to get onto
> them." That, and of course, the circularity with Myst (intentionally
> obscured so as not to spoil it: you know what I mean). Oh, and the
> school house. Overall, quite cool! (Altho the rebel age left much to be
> desired.)
>
> As for Exile, I think Amateria was best (the one with the rolling
> balls), both finding the book and the island itself. Possibly because I
> did that first and hence didn't expect the end, along with still being
> mildly phobic of heights and playing it late at night in the dark the
> first time. Voltaic (rocky with power supplies et al) was fun, kind of
> silly too (lava routing controls *inside* the volcano??). The very final
> age was neat too, with all the different endings. I'm not sure why it
> seemed so difficult the first time I played it and so easy the later
> time, in terms of transliterating the symbols. "There's one think I've
> learned about linking books: The doors they opened don't close behind
> you." I'm a bit disappointed with where you don't get to go ... I can't
> figure out how to say it more clearly without spoilers.
>
> Revelation was nice, but come on. If you could write an age, wouldn't
> you make it possible to work *both* elevators at the same time? (Yes, I
> know there aren't two elevators: If you already played it, you know what
> I mean. If you haven't played it, I've avoided spoiling it.) At least it
> was fun to see the rest of Tomata. At this point, I think the series
> started going downhill: silly puzzles having little or nothing to do
> with the story. At least Exile had a *reason* for there to be blatant
> puzzles-for-the-sake-of-puzzles. (Altho I dunno. The idea that you'd
> build a door across a bridge over a lake to keep the birds out indicates
> you're at least a bit crazy. Maybe building locks onto stuff when you
> know you're the only person in the world is just the same sort of crazy?
> But singing dieties needing help with neurosurgery?) And at least, if
> you're expected to copy characters from one place to another, don't
> compress the images so much the characters are illegible. At least they
> explained where, in the world with only 3 people, the rest of the people
> went.
>
> Uru was pretty sucky, altho some of the effects were nice. Lousy
> puzzles, lame journals, stupid goals. Of course, it was supposed to be
> continued as an MMORPG, but it was still lame. Altho it was kind of
> cool, after reading the first Myst novel, to see some of the places
> described therein. (Not that I'd recommend the novel; it too was pretty
> awful.) I couldn't get Path of the Shell to run - something weird with
> the video driver. (In case you wonder, for example, the giant vertical
> tunnel at the end of Uru is where the heroine gets into D'ni in the
> novel, after finding geological anomolies in the desert (which you see
> at the start of Uru) caused by digging said tunnel).
>
> I played the demo for the fifth Myst series, but I haven't bought the
> game. Anyone who has, care to comment? It looked like they couldn't
> really come up with a game idea, and I didn't really want to spend $50
> on it, but it's probably pretty cheap by now.
>
> Compare to seventh guest (which I gave up when I realized it was all
> classic puzzles like 8 queens set in a haunted house for some reason),
> Lighthouse (which railroaded you into (say) not letting you leave the
> house before you listened to your answering machine, and otherwise was a
> stupid pixel hunt), or Schizm (which had a great premise of having two
> characters you could switch between to solve puzzles, but started out
> with you rescuing an expedition which by the end you find out never
> actually existed (what??!) and which involved absurd rituals on the part
> of the natives obviously designed to just drag out the game without
> needing to actually create more content). Longest Journey had its
> moments, but the puzzles were lame, as well as frustratingly timed
> (e.g., you have grungy clothes. You can't go into the clothes store
> because it's too expensive. You go talk to someone in the next store
> over, who points out you're improperly dressed, so *now* you can go in
> the clothes store). It was more a "string together a bunch of
> conversations with long walks between" than an actual game, altho the
> story was indeed kind of cool. Also I'll admit some of the conversations
> were excellent: "What do you mean these things crash all the time? I
> heard they were the safest mode of travel!" "Well, sure, as long as
> you're not flying one. They almost never land on pedestrians." I think
> there were maybe three puzzles in the whole game I had to think about,
> but dozens of times where the right thing to do was obvious, but I
> hadn't triggered the game into letting me do it *yet*.
>
> So have you played the fifth Myst game? Have you played something else I
> haven't mentioned?
>
Hmm. I would have to look at various images to figure out which ones in
"each" game really. Think Channelwood was nice in the original. Not sure
in a lot of the others. Now, in Uru, I would have to say Gahreesen. Mind
you, all of them in that one are just incredible, even by Myst's
standards, but its just insane to climb up through all the bits of the
insides, where you arrive, only to find yourself standing on the top of
a platform that is like 400 feet or more in diameter, and slowly
rotating around the center of the ages, like a giant top, and
occasionally lining up with another structure, which you jump to, that
starts out so far away you *literally* can't tell how big it really is
at first. Its just jaw dropping.
The other ages are, to varying degrees, similarly unbelievable.
Oh, and for anyone that doesn't know, they reopened Uru: Live a while
back. You can now go in there with other people again, and I believe the
are adding new puzzles and things to it as well.
To get some idea of what the stuff in it looks like, for those that
don't know, check out the Dn'i Explorer's guild, which has screen shots:
http://www.uruexplorers.com/reference/dni/locations.php
Or here for some screensavers from it:
http://www.uruexplorers.com/about/downloads.php
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Patrick Elliott wrote:
> Think Channelwood was nice in the original.
I think I was speaking more of the puzzles than the visuals, as such. Of
course the visuals help drive the puzzles, so there's some interaction
there.
> Now, in Uru, I would have to say Gahreesen.
Agreed, visually speaking. It was just that the puzzles were rather
lame, is all. Very artificial "run around and collect these points to
prove you've been every place we've drawn."
Actually, as I think about it, it wasn't *too* bad. I remember the level
with the treasure room, and thinking halfway thru "how lame, just a
bunch of locks", and then realizing yah, it's a treasure room, so it has
locks on it. :-)
> Oh, and for anyone that doesn't know, they reopened Uru: Live a while
> back. You can now go in there with other people again, and I believe the
> are adding new puzzles and things to it as well.
Oh, really? Very cool. I'll have to see if I can get Uru to install.
(Damn video card: had to upgrade the driver to play Revelation, which
broke Uru. D'oh! Maybe a reinstall at this point will fix..)
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"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message
news:475db67d$1@news.povray.org...
> Ross wrote:
>> I should go back and play the original then?
>
> You should go back and buy Myst Millenium Edition (which is exactly the
> same Myst, on re-rendered to 16-bit color). There's also RealMyst, which
> has a true 3D engine and one more mildly-silly age at the end that isn't
> really part of the story.
>
> Then do Riven. Then Exile.
>
I can't seem to find anything by that name. There's a 10th Anniversary DVD
Edition that contains the first 3 games. Is that it?
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In article <475ec6c6@news.povray.org>, dne### [at] sanrrcom says...
> Patrick Elliott wrote:
> > Think Channelwood was nice in the original.
>
> I think I was speaking more of the puzzles than the visuals, as such. Of
> course the visuals help drive the puzzles, so there's some interaction
> there.
>
Frankly, the puzzles in a lot of them bugged the heck out of me. Then
again, I am not that great at those sorts of puzzles. Pretty much all of
them I had to refer to a walkthrough to figure something out. lol
That said.. Yeah, even in terms of the puzzles I think I preferred
Channelwood. It didn't require absurd timing issues, match that sound (I
am not tone deaf, but I ain't Mozart either, and I can't even remember
the lyrics of stuff I play all the time, never mind the notes of
something I heard 2-3 times, and then had to repeat a few minutes
later), or a number of other things that bugged me in some places in
them. I hated the old electronic Simon Says game, frankly. lol
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Ross wrote:
> "Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote in message
> news:475db67d$1@news.povray.org...
>> Ross wrote:
>>> I should go back and play the original then?
>> You should go back and buy Myst Millenium Edition (which is exactly the
>> same Myst, on re-rendered to 16-bit color). There's also RealMyst, which
>> has a true 3D engine and one more mildly-silly age at the end that isn't
>> really part of the story.
>>
>> Then do Riven. Then Exile.
>>
>
> I can't seem to find anything by that name. There's a 10th Anniversary DVD
> Edition that contains the first 3 games. Is that it?
Well, since it's "Millenium Edition", it might have only come out around
seven years ago. I suspect the DVD will have the newest traces on it.
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I played the first two, don't think I played Exile. The Mechanical age
was fun for me, though I also liked Channelwood a lot.
I also have to admit I liked the bit in Riven with the roller-coaster
like bit.
Jim
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