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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: More poor planning
Date: 19 Nov 2007 10:18:26
Message: <op.t11os4y8c3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:59:55 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did  
spake, saying:

> Phil Cook wrote:
>> And lo on Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:28:11 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull>  
>> did spake, saying:
>>
>>> The last thing I heard on the matter was this:
>>>
>>> "There's a UK add-on module that gives you support for VAT and a  
>>> couple of other things. We won't be purchasing it. It's just too  
>>> expensive."
>>>
>>> In other words, "this is only a problem for the UK so we don't really  
>>> care about it". Almost all problems that only affect the UK  
>>> automatically get an extremely low priority.
>>  So what's the bet that despite this someone's actually bought the UK  
>> localisation pack and just hasn't installed it as it's 'not necessary'?
>
> Why construct unsubstanciated rumour when we have verified truth to be  
> horrified at?
>
> The $1 million price tag includes something like 200 hours on-site  
> training from Micro$oft. As far as I know, we have never taken them up  
> on that...

Well why don't you? Get the codes call up MS and say "About this training  
that's included with our purchase when can you come down?". What's HQ  
going to do bawl you out for NOT spending any money on training; heck if  
it's not invoiced will they ever know?

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: More poor planning
Date: 19 Nov 2007 10:26:47
Message: <4741ab37$1@news.povray.org>
Phil Cook wrote:
> And lo on Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:59:55 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did 
> spake, saying:
> 
>> Why construct unsubstanciated rumour when we have verified truth to be 
>> horrified at?
>>
>> The $1 million price tag includes something like 200 hours on-site 
>> training from Micro$oft. As far as I know, we have never taken them up 
>> on that...
> 
> Well why don't you? Get the codes call up MS and say "About this 
> training that's included with our purchase when can you come down?". 
> What's HQ going to do bawl you out for NOT spending any money on 
> training; heck if it's not invoiced will they ever know?

Heh. Well, if training is the issue, then I think the problem is really 
that the guys with their fingers on the master controls don't really 
know what they're doing. Our people over here really don't have access 
to very much. It's more the people at HQ who seem to need educating on 
how to work the software (not to mention how to do accounting...)

Apparently each year you have to get external auditors to come in and 
check the books. Well one year, the people HQ hired eventually walked 
out and refused to complete the audit because the books were too much of 
a mess.

And these are the people saying my wages. Should I be concerned?

(Bennie seems to think that the wages they're paying me are a "ripoff" 
anyway, and that I should leave before the company goes under. Hmm.)


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: More poor planning
Date: 19 Nov 2007 10:29:05
Message: <4741abc1$1@news.povray.org>
Let me tell you what just happened here.

First, somebody from HQ sends me an email asking for the service code on 
our Dell server or something. So I tell him. Then he replies saying "OK, 
I'm gonna update the service contract on that. Say, by the way, how are 
you doing for servers anyway? Need more, need to consolidate, need more 
horsepower, etc?"

I nearly fell off my chair...

And then of course, I realised that nobody's offering to *pay* for more 
gear, they're just asking if I'd *like* more gear. ;-)


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From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: More poor planning
Date: 19 Nov 2007 11:13:34
Message: <op.t11rcywuc3xi7v@news.povray.org>
And lo on Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:26:45 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull> did  
spake, saying:

> Phil Cook wrote:
>> And lo on Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:59:55 -0000, Invisible <voi### [at] devnull>  
>> did spake, saying:
>>
>>> Why construct unsubstanciated rumour when we have verified truth to be  
>>> horrified at?
>>>
>>> The $1 million price tag includes something like 200 hours on-site  
>>> training from Micro$oft. As far as I know, we have never taken them up  
>>> on that...
>>  Well why don't you? Get the codes call up MS and say "About this  
>> training that's included with our purchase when can you come down?".  
>> What's HQ going to do bawl you out for NOT spending any money on  
>> training; heck if it's not invoiced will they ever know?
>
> Heh. Well, if training is the issue, then I think the problem is really  
> that the guys with their fingers on the master controls don't really  
> know what they're doing. Our people over here really don't have access  
> to very much. It's more the people at HQ who seem to need educating on  
> how to work the software (not to mention how to do accounting...)

Well yeah, but you get in the MS trainers and they constantly saying "So  
you do this" and you answer "We can't" then you've not just got your  
'whiny' accountant making a fuss you've got the people who actually wrote  
the software saying there's a problem.

> Apparently each year you have to get external auditors to come in and  
> check the books.

Sorry that statement is so funny to me for so many reasons I can't explain.

> Well one year, the people HQ hired eventually walked out and refused to  
> complete the audit because the books were too much of a mess.

Say you're not the EU Commision are you, oh  no wait it's just 13 years  
that their accounts haven't been signed off on.

> And these are the people saying my wages. Should I be concerned?
>
> (Bennie seems to think that the wages they're paying me are a "ripoff"  
> anyway, and that I should leave before the company goes under. Hmm.)

tum te tum.

-- 
Phil Cook

--
I once tried to be apathetic, but I just couldn't be bothered
http://flipc.blogspot.com


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: More poor planning
Date: 19 Nov 2007 11:39:36
Message: <4741bc48$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:29:03 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> Let me tell you what just happened here.
> 
> First, somebody from HQ sends me an email asking for the service code on
> our Dell server or something. So I tell him. Then he replies saying "OK,
> I'm gonna update the service contract on that. Say, by the way, how are
> you doing for servers anyway? Need more, need to consolidate, need more
> horsepower, etc?"
> 
> I nearly fell off my chair...
> 
> And then of course, I realised that nobody's offering to *pay* for more
> gear, they're just asking if I'd *like* more gear. ;-)

Tell them that you'd certainly like to discuss the needs in your office, 
then do an assessment of what would make things *better* and start 
prioritising the needs.

With a new IT staff at HQ, perhaps some things will improve.  It can't 
hurt to ask, but approach it seriously.

Jim


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: More poor planning
Date: 20 Nov 2007 05:15:47
Message: <4742b3d3@news.povray.org>
This just gets more amusing...

I sent them a reply saying that we need to replace a whole heap of 
desktops, but the servers are pretty much OK. I got a reply saying 
they're going to look at getting me some newer servers in the next few 
months. (But nobody is going to do anything about the desktops.)

Am I missing something obvious here??


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: More poor planning
Date: 20 Nov 2007 05:35:00
Message: <web.4742b7297ad347ee726bd13c0@news.povray.org>
Kyle <hob### [at] gatenet> wrote:
> >Are you the White Rabbit?
>
> No.  This is...
>
> http://www.jobsearch.co.uk/

LOL

Take the hint, Andrew :)

Stephen


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From: Invisible
Subject: Re: More poor planning
Date: 20 Nov 2007 05:39:42
Message: <4742b96e$1@news.povray.org>
Stephen wrote:
> Kyle <hob### [at] gatenet> wrote:
>>> Are you the White Rabbit?
>> No.  This is...
>>
>> http://www.jobsearch.co.uk/
> 
> LOL
> 
> Take the hint, Andrew :)

Heh. Well, I have actually tried that particular site before and not 
found anything of any use. But I certainly get the hint...

(Today I'm writing an unecessarily long and complex plan document 
describing in absurd detail how we're going to test a trivial 2-page 
Haskell program. I really wish to God I was working somewhere else right 
now!)


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From: scott
Subject: Re: More poor planning
Date: 20 Nov 2007 07:09:13
Message: <4742ce69$1@news.povray.org>
> This just gets more amusing...
>
> I sent them a reply saying that we need to replace a whole heap of 
> desktops, but the servers are pretty much OK. I got a reply saying they're 
> going to look at getting me some newer servers in the next few months. 
> (But nobody is going to do anything about the desktops.)
>
> Am I missing something obvious here??

Yeh, I wouldn't miss the opportunity for a clever reply with your boss and 
their boss cc'd :-)


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From: Tom Austin
Subject: Re: More poor planning
Date: 20 Nov 2007 08:43:04
Message: <4742e468$1@news.povray.org>
Invisible wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>> Kyle <hob### [at] gatenet> wrote:
>>>> Are you the White Rabbit?
>>> No.  This is...
>>>
>>> http://www.jobsearch.co.uk/
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> Take the hint, Andrew :)
> 
> Heh. Well, I have actually tried that particular site before and not 
> found anything of any use. But I certainly get the hint...
> 
> (Today I'm writing an unecessarily long and complex plan document 
> describing in absurd detail how we're going to test a trivial 2-page 
> Haskell program. I really wish to God I was working somewhere else right 
> now!)


Isn't it amazing how the things we enjoy can become such a thorn.


Tom


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