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> I just love the way they quote the size of a flight of stairs in
> millimeters! I mean, it rises 12 feet up, and we care about 25mm?
Sure, your building design company would last a long time if every flight of
stairs had a tolerance of +/- 25 mm... :-)
> But most of all, it's just numbers. *Millions* of numbers. Almost every
> line has a second line next to it with some numbers. Many of the corners
> there are dashed lines *everywhere*.
>
> (I just reliased... Every single doorway in the place has a unique ID
> written on it. Wow.)
>
> There are also all sorts of symbols that look like they probably mean
> something to a building engineer. Means nothing to me though! Heh.
>
> It's certainly interesting anyway...
Yeh, just like a 2D drawing of a mechanical part, the plans are to enable
the builders to actually make the building. They need dimensions of every
part, material types, finishes etc. They don't want to have to keep phoning
up the designer and asking "errm, how thick do you want this wall?" and
stuff like that.
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> Yeh, just like a 2D drawing of a mechanical part, the plans are to
> enable the builders to actually make the building. They need dimensions
> of every part, material types, finishes etc. They don't want to have to
> keep phoning up the designer and asking "errm, how thick do you want
> this wall?" and stuff like that.
You wouldn't imagine how often they ask for informations that
are already on the plans...
Fabien.
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Fa3ien wrote:
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>> I just love the way they quote the size of a flight of stairs in
>> millimeters! I mean, it rises 12 feet up, and we care about 25mm?
>
> That's because people who build the stairs works with that order
> of tolerance (mm).
>
In my house I built my own set of stairs - you care about every mm (or
inch) because you have to divide it very accurately to get the right
step height that makes everything even - especially if you have an
inspector reviewing it.
If you have never built stairs, it is not as easy as one would think....
but then after building a set, it is. Kinda like computers ;-)
Tom
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Fa3ien wrote:
> You wouldn't imagine how often they ask for informations that
> are already on the plans...
Hahahaha!
The interesting part is, every set of plans I see has a different
contractor's name on it. There are so many different contractors working
on this thing it's unreal!
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Fa3ien wrote:
>
>> I just love the way they quote the size of a flight of stairs in
>> millimeters! I mean, it rises 12 feet up, and we care about 25mm?
>
> That's because people who build the stairs works with that order
> of tolerance (mm).
So... what the hell do you do if you build some stairs, and the sement
sinks by 0.4 mm while drying? (A perfectly likely outcome.) Then each
step might be 0.4 mm out...! No noes! o_O
>> But most of all, it's just numbers. *Millions* of numbers. Almost
>> every line has a second line next to it with some numbers.
>
> Yep. That's easier to build something :-)
> Maybe you should ask for simplified plans with only big dimension lines
> (just L and W of each room). We often provide that kind of stuff.
Yeah, well, there are millions and millions of paper plans, but for some
reason it's very hard to get electronic ones. I've been asking for some
for months. The plans I've got cut off part of the building, but it'll
do. ;-)
>> (I just reliased... Every single doorway in the place has a unique ID
>> written on it. Wow.)
>
> That's pretty normal. The drawing is probably linked to some spreadsheet
> saying how much doors of what type are needed.
Reminds me of the building meeting I heard about. Apparently the
interior designers were fussing over what kind of light switches to
have, and the building engineers couldn't give a fig and just want the
building to not burn down due to an electrical fire or something...
Apparently it was a very amusing meeting for spectators!
(Did you know - actually, YOU probably did - they have entire catelogues
of hundreds of different kinds of light switches. Brass ones. Steel
ones. Rubberised ones. Plastic ones with every possible surface finish.
Big ones, small ones, ones for visually-impared people. One switch per
panel. Two switches per panel. Rows of 8 or more... Jesus, we just want
lights! LOL.)
>> There are also all sorts of symbols that look like they probably mean
>> something to a building engineer. Means nothing to me though! Heh.
>
> Apart from broad room dimensions, ceiling heights and under-slab heights,
> you probably shouldn't care for anything else.
Interesting that the archive is shown has having falls 8x thicker than
everywhere else. And on the door it says [in tiny letters]
BD10
2no.
FD120SC
TO GIVE
4 HOURS
And next to one wall, it says [in slightly bigger letters]
CEILING CAVITY BARRIER
Presumably this is all related to fire prevention or something...
Also, next to my server room there's [yet another] dashed line labelled
CEILING CAVITY
[Hmm, is there a reason all writing must be upper case?]
Of course, the most fun thing about our building is that it isn't
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Fa3ien wrote:
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>> (I just reliased... Every single doorway in the place has a unique ID
>> written on it. Wow.)
>
> That's pretty normal. The drawing is probably linked to some spreadsheet
> saying how much doors of what type are needed.
I wonder if that's what "FD30SC" means? (Every door seems to have this
written next to it, in addition to a unique number of the form "DB7".)
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Vincent Le Chevalier wrote:
> It's all French words :-) That said, Wikipedia can help:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brise_soleil
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baluster (read the first paragraph and not
> just the title)
Ah... So that useless bit that sticks out of the front of the building
is meant to be a sun shade?
[Interesting how all the buildings constructed so far have an identical
projection, despite facing different directions. I mean, surely the sun
can only rise from one direction... And sides, it's far too tiny to
shade anything except the top of the roof.]
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> Fa3ien wrote:
>>
>>> (I just reliased... Every single doorway in the place has a unique ID
>>> written on it. Wow.)
>>
>> That's pretty normal. The drawing is probably linked to some spreadsheet
>> saying how much doors of what type are needed.
>
> I wonder if that's what "FD30SC" means? (Every door seems to have this
> written next to it, in addition to a unique number of the form "DB7".)
FD = Framed Door ? (such conventions are hardly universal)
30 = maybe 30 minutes fireproof ? on the leaf is 30 inches wide ?
SC = Single C???... ?
Sometimes there's an explanation on the edge (along with the meaning of hatches).
Fabien.
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> Fa3ien wrote:
>>
>>> (I just reliased... Every single doorway in the place has a unique ID
>>> written on it. Wow.)
>>
>> That's pretty normal. The drawing is probably linked to some spreadsheet
>> saying how much doors of what type are needed.
>
> I wonder if that's what "FD30SC" means? (Every door seems to have this
> written next to it, in addition to a unique number of the form "DB7".)
for example, we name our doors like :
PSF-93-10
09F 2.20
(both symbols grouped in an hexagon)
which means :
Porte Simple Feu (Single door, fire resistant)
93 cm leaf in a 10 cm wall
the lower symbol is the room to which the door gives access
09 (underground, 00 is ground, 01 1st level...)
F : zone F (fire detection zone)
2.20 : hierarchic geographical numbering within a zone
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Fa3ien wrote:
>>
>> I wonder if that's what "FD30SC" means? (Every door seems to have this
>> written next to it, in addition to a unique number of the form "DB7".)
>
> FD = Framed Door ? (such conventions are hardly universal)
> 30 = maybe 30 minutes fireproof ? on the leaf is 30 inches wide ?
> SC = Single C???... ?
>
> Sometimes there's an explanation on the edge (along with the meaning of
> hatches).
Not this time there isn't.
It's probably a catelogue number, and if you had their catelogue you
could look it up.
(I recall apparently there was a long debate about whether the doors
would be stained wood, or whether they would be painted black. The
designers were concerned that wood would clash with the white walls and
black skirting boards. [I kid you not!] IIRC, they eventually decided on
stained wood doors with black door frames...)
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