"somebody" <som### [at] somewherecom> wrote:
> "Invisible" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote
> > So, I figured out LaTeX and HTML (not to mention POV-Ray, the Lambda
> > calculus, cryptography, inorganic chemistry, and much else besides) yet
> > I couldn't figure out M$ Word?
> >
> > What does this say about M$ Word? ;-)
>
> Nothing. It says more about your anti MS-bias.

I think it says more about his geekness factor.  Geeks are always after clever
ways of reinventing the wheel,  they can't simply pick a ready one and let go.

The easiest way of learning to use software is not by complaining about lack of
manual, but by sitting in front of it for hours and getting the hang and feel
of it.  And be sure to not be reasonable:  force errors to learn with them...

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scott wrote:

> I don't think you're evil at all, just a bit annoying when instead of 
> pressing F1 and typing "modify style" you write a huge rant about how 
> crap MS Word is because *YOU* can't work out how to modify styles.

Why does everybody think this is an anti-M$ rant? I said the same thing 
about OO...

> It's 
> just the way you word it.  If you'd just said "does anyone know how to 
> modify styles in Word, this is driving me nuts I've tried X and Y but to 
> no avail" you'd probably get less "evil" replies.

I guess I was actually expecting that it's not possible, but I thought 
somebody might know of a package that does it. (Somebody else already 
meantioned LyX, which is cute is a little fiddly.)

Perhaps the root problem here is that the octet sequence ultimately sent 
by my newsreader isn't a fantastically accurate reflection of my 
intended meaning...

> You might also try pressing F1 in Word, then clicking "Table of 
> Contents" and just having a browse through one day - you'll probably 
> learn a lot.

It might shock you to know that I have on occasion attempted to use 
Word's so-called "help" system. Sometimes it gives you useful 
information, often it doesn't. And sometimes you just hunt for hours 
looking for a crucial snippet of information, and never find it. It 
depends...

(I am convinced that I cannot possibly be alone in hating that retched 
paperclip though!)

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> (I am convinced that I cannot possibly be alone in hating that retched 
> paperclip though!)

You installed (or haven't uninstalled yet) *that* thing? o_O

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scott wrote:
>> (I am convinced that I cannot possibly be alone in hating that retched 
>> paperclip though!)
> 
> You installed (or haven't uninstalled yet) *that* thing? o_O

...it's removable??

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"Orchid XP v7" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message
news:472f77ee$1@news.povray.org...
> scott wrote:
> >> (I am convinced that I cannot possibly be alone in hating that retched
> >> paperclip though!)
> >
> > You installed (or haven't uninstalled yet) *that* thing? o_O
>
> ...it's removable??

You're kidding, surely.

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>> scott wrote:
>> >> (I am convinced that I cannot possibly be alone in hating that retched
>> >> paperclip though!)
>> >
>> > You installed (or haven't uninstalled yet) *that* thing? o_O
>>
>> ...it's removable??
>
> You're kidding, surely.

Sometimes I really do expect him to post one day telling us all how he's 
been trolling us all this time and how gullible we all are.

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472f77ee$1@news.povray.org...
> ...it's removable??

Andy, please. There's nothing wrong about being ignorant (everybody is), but 
you can't let yourself appear perpetually clueless about the simplest 
things, particularly when you spend so much time talking about much you love 
arcane programming stuff. There's some phenomenal discrepancy here.

A professional IT worker who don't know how to remove Clippy is like a guy 
who claims to be a race car driver, keeps talking about aerodynamic drag and 
airfoils, and then complains that he doesn't know how to turn on the 
headlights in Mommy's Ford Escort because it's so darn difficult and Ford is 
a lousy carmaker anyway. Or a wannabe porn actor unable to remove his pants 
because of that mysterious "zipper" technology.

When you don't know something, please do some minimal homework before asking 
questions. It will pay off some day. Really.

G.

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Le 05.11.2007 19:33, Orchid XP v7 nous fit lire :
> Le Forgeron wrote:
> 
>> Then your way is Lyx!
>> Latex front-end (hiding all the latex from innocent users). Ready to
>> write the model...
> 
> Ever tried using it?
>
Yes, with figures & tables too. For short document as well as big one.
Only trouble is I cannot easily resize a table: still have to create
it right the first time or copy-paste into the right one afterhand.

> Unfortunately, certain things that are trivial in LaTeX become
> irritatingly difficult with LyX. But yes, if the particular document you
> want to write won't use too many of all those things, it represents
> about the best you're going to get. ;-)

I focus on content, and leave latex&lyx do the formatting. Then I
check it and take care of the wrong looking things (like table far
too long for the page...)


-- 
The superior man understands what is right;
the inferior man understands what will sell.
-- Confucius

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On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:26:24 +0000, Invisible wrote:

> I *could* prefer an editor like Word or OpenOffice, if only it would let
> me do structural markup rather than presentational...

Sounds like you'd benefit from having a look at structured Framemaker, 
then.

Jim

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Invisible wrote:
> Invisible wrote:
> 
>> I just downloaded "tex.web" and started reading it... Hmm, LOL!
> 
> Oh wow... This stuff is really special.

Well yes, the day I'll try to make the world better with a new word 
processor, I think I'll start from scratch...

Not that this day has come yet ;-)

TeX is admirable because of its lifespan, its stability, its low count 
of bugs, but I think starting from its source would lead to a 
derivative, but nothing radically new...

-- 
Vincent

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