Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> nemesis wrote:
> Actually, isn't the entire Jewish faith based on Abraham overcoming a giant
> obstacle put in front of him by God? Namely being asked to sacrifice his son?
>
> And who was it that hardened Pharoh's heart again?

Sometimes you can't ask your employees to do the job for you, you have to do it
yourself. ;)

> If you were talking to a strange man, like at a bus stop or a restaurant or
> something, and you realized he's gay and hitting on you. How would you feel?
> What do you think would be your visceral reaction? (If it has already
> happened, what *was* your reaction?)

I'm a pretty humorous guy, but also quite shy.  I'd probably just ignore him.  I
have to say a hottie on my side wouldn't fare much better to enlicit a reaction
on my part.  I take a long time to know people sufficiently well to even joke
or start a conversation, let alone hitting. :P

If you want to know if I would punch the guy, then no, most likely not.  I like
balance, not conflict.  Or counterbalance. ;)

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nemesis wrote:
> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> nemesis wrote:
>> Actually, isn't the entire Jewish faith based on Abraham overcoming a giant
>> obstacle put in front of him by God? Namely being asked to sacrifice his son?
>>
>> And who was it that hardened Pharoh's heart again?
> 
> Sometimes you can't ask your employees to do the job for you, you have to do it
> yourself. ;)

I'm confused. Satan is God's employee?  I'm not sure I've heard that before.

> 
>> If you were talking to a strange man, like at a bus stop or a restaurant or
>> something, and you realized he's gay and hitting on you. How would you feel?
>> What do you think would be your visceral reaction? (If it has already
>> happened, what *was* your reaction?)
> 
> I'm a pretty humorous guy, but also quite shy.  I'd probably just ignore him.

I'm asking what you'd feel inside. What would be your gut emotional 
reaction?  Just curious... if you don't mind answering.

> If you want to know if I would punch the guy, then no, most likely not.  I like
> balance, not conflict.  Or counterbalance. ;)

No, I'm asking whether you'd be pleased, disgusted, afraid...

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   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
   There aren't any trees on Mars.

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> So you think gay people choose to be gay? And persecuted? And treated as
> sub-human?

Yes, people choose.  Many jews in the middle ages burned because they did not
convert to Christianism.  How many early christians became lion food for
choosing to remain faithful?

You speak like as if gays today suffer way too much, but fact is that our
society is becoming more and more like ancient greek and roman panssexual
cultures and in fact people who think differently are the ones twisted.

> >> I thought
> >> Jesus said to love your neighbors and all that stuff?
> >
> > Love is not sex, despite what the porn industry says.
>
> So you have no problems with gay men marrying, adopting children, and loving
> each other, and sleeping together, as long as they don't have sex?

I didn't say that, just that love is not sex.

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nemesis wrote:
> You speak like as if gays today suffer way too much, 

Why would you want them to suffer at all?  That doesn't seem like a very 
kind thing. You speak like throwing Christians to the lions was a good 
thing, and gays should be happy that we only (say) tie them to trucks and 
drag them thru barbed wire fences.

> and in fact people who think differently are the ones twisted.

And by "twisted" you mean "wrong", which is kind of the problem.

>> So you have no problems with gay men marrying, adopting children, and loving
>> each other, and sleeping together, as long as they don't have sex?
> 
> I didn't say that, just that love is not sex.

Yes. You didn't say. That's why I asked.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   Why is there a chainsaw in DOOM?
   There aren't any trees on Mars.

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On Wed,  7 Jan 2009 13:51:56 EST, "nemesis" <nam### [at] gmailcom> wrote:

>Yes, people choose.  Many jews in the middle ages burned because they did not
>convert to Christianism.  How many early christians became lion food for
>choosing to remain faithful?

Do people choose to be man or woman, black or white? OK some people may choose
to have a gay lifestyle but others chose to repress it. I wonder which is
healthier. 
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Regards
     Stephen

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On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 10:41:51 -0800, Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:

>I'm confused. Satan is God's employee?  I'm not sure I've heard that before.

A PR post, someone has to take the flak for all the evil in the world ;)
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:55:41 -0600, Mueen Nawaz wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> Clergy here can not do a civil marriage, so that is different. My
>>> parents married in the church more than 5 months after their civil
>>> marriage. I don't know how (un)common that was in those days.
>> 
>> That is an interesting difference.
> 
> 	Isn't it the same in the US? For the government to recognize a
> marriage, it has to be registered. Isn't the use of religious figures
> just a cultural move that has no legal significance?
> 
> (Unmarried person asking)

I don't believe so - I'd have to ask my brother, who was married in a 
church wedding, but I believe clergy can fill out the paperwork necessary 
for the legal part of the marriage (as Darren said).

Jim

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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:28:07 -0500, nemesis wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> What's the answer for hermaphrodites who want to marry another human
>> being?  Who are they allowed to marry?  Who are they not allowed to
>> marry?
>>
>> Be specific.
> 
> I think I answered before:  they were *given* choice.  Just choose a
> side.  Or none.

So if you happen to be, as you so delicately put it, "a freak" who has 
both sets of organs, then you have more right to choose than someone 
who's just wired differently than their physical attributes?

Jim

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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:59:44 -0600, Mueen Nawaz wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> All in all, specially the inacurate "visions" of native continental
>>> america, it's a very american thing.
>> 
>> Mormonism started in America, but it's hardly an American thing any
>> more.  Some Mormons serve missions in Israel, in fact.  I've got
> 
> 	I believe roughly half of Mormons are not in the US. They're very
> successful at proselytizing.

Very much so, and those figures wouldn't surprise me.

Jim

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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:22:09 -0500, nemesis wrote:

> I'm not sure you or Jim accept prayers for any help.

As you should probably remember from an earlier discussion along these 
lines, I'd be happy to do an incantation for you to increase your 
understanding as reciprocity for yours. :-)

Jim

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