Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:

>> Actually, I like the idea. I've wanted to learn more about Linux for a
 
>> while
>> now.
> 
>   I can recommend that: learning is always a Good Thing.
> 
>> Can the Linux 64 and XP-Pro 32 live happily on the same machine? (I 
>> can't afford
>> a second machine right now.) ... a second partition? ... a second hard
 
>> drive?
> 
>  AFAIK, there is no reason to think that they will interfere with each 

> other. Indeed a second hard drive could be easier to manage at install 

> time than partitions. The only problem I could think about is sharing 
> files between XP and Linux: I didn't check recently, but I remember the
 
> NTFS support on Linux was read-only when I tried some years ago.

It was, but nowdays ntfs-3g provides support for writing too. I'm not 
sure if it's claimed to be perfectly safe, but at least it has worked 
for me so far.

Also IIRC you should be able to get Windows support linux's filesystems 
(at least ext3 or 2, or both), but I never managed to get that working. 
The drivers just crashed for me every time I tried.. According to Eero 
it should be possible, though.


-- Arttu Voutilainen

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:03:31 -0500, Mike the Elder wrote:

> Many thanks to all.
> 
> My next investment is going to be a second hard drive from which to boot
> 64 bit Linux.

BTW, you don't need a second hard drive, separate partitions is just fine.

(That's how my machine is set up).

Jim

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> It was, but nowdays ntfs-3g provides support for writing too. I'm not 
> sure if it's claimed to be perfectly safe, but at least it has worked 
> for me so far.

Apparently, it *is* safe; in the sense that if it runs into something it 
doesn't support, the operation fails cleanly instead of corrupting the 
filesystem.

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Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote:
> You can't use >4GB files in 32-bit systems?

  Not with POV-Ray.

-- 
                                                          - Warp

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Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:03:31 -0500, Mike the Elder wrote:
> 
> 
>>Many thanks to all.
>>
>>My next investment is going to be a second hard drive from which to boot
>>64 bit Linux.
> 
> 
> BTW, you don't need a second hard drive, separate partitions is just fine.
> 
> (That's how my machine is set up).
> 
> Jim

Then there's me, but I'm weird...

For my secondary drive I use removable drives.  I have three different 
drives I can plug in (only one at a time, of course).  Windows and Linux 
on the first (non-removable) drive, three Linux distros plus some 
Windows partitions on each of two of the removables and just Windows on 
the third.  (I like to play with different Linux distros...    :-) 
Also I like multiple Windows partitions, I think it's easier to organize 
things that way.  IMO, of course.)

But as I said, I'm weird.    ;-)     (And a 71-year-old geek.)

FWIW, I use System Commander as my boot manager, much easier to use for 
large numbers of OS's.  Especially with the removable drives -- it 
detects the changes automatically.

BTW, I'm using a 32 bit Athelon 2000+, with 1 GB memory.  But I think 
this system is starting to get tired too, and I'll probably upgrade to a 
newer system sometime soon as well.

      -=- Larry -=-

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Mike the Elder wrote:
> First, a moment of silence...
> 
> My ancient AMD K6 machine, which lived as a Win95, Win98 and Win2k machine has
> finally expired.  It has run down the curtain and joined the Choir Invisible.
> It is an ex-workstation.

Goodness.  The machine that replaced my K6-2 is itself 5 years old, and 
considered a boat anchor now.

> Well.. I'd better replace it then.
> 
> As I type, a replacement is being built for me. It's a pretty decent mid-level
> machine: AMD Athlon Dual 64 +6000, 2GB ram, 160GB HD, GeForce 8600 video (not
> the best, but budget restrictions applied).  Having heard that problems exist
> with Windows XP Pro 64 bit in regard to various programs not working properly
> and drivers for various devices not being available... AND needing my
> replacement machine today, I'm having Win XP Pro 32 bit installed.  I can
> later, if I choose, have the system converted to a dual boot system with the
> option of starting in 32 or 64 for approximately an additional $200.00 USD.
> 
> The question: Is it worth it?

I expect that you'll be hearing from Linux advocates right about now.

Regards,
John

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On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:07:50 -0700, Larry Hudson <org### [at] yahoocom>
wrote:

>
>But as I said, I'm weird.    ;-)    

You must be, posting here :)

> (And a 71-year-old geek.)

At my computer club, I'm the youngest as I'm in my 50's <g>
So if you're ever in London on a Wednesday you are invited. (Tea and a
biscuit is 20p, first night free)
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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Larry Hudson wrote:
> For my secondary drive I use removable drives.  I have three different 
> drives I can plug in (only one at a time, of course).
>  (I like to play with different Linux distros...    :-)

Are we talking about USB drives? What's the price/specs? :-)

It's been a while since I last got adventurous with Linux distros (I 
settled into Ubuntu and Debian) but I might give it another go sometime.

While I'm drifting off topic :-) does anybody know how well Windows 
tolerates having applications installed to removable media? I've been 
looking at one of those newfangled flash-based laptops for a family 
member, but I don't know if she can fit all her software into four gigs. :-(

-- 
William Tracy
afi### [at] gmailcom -- wtr### [at] calpolyedu

Amnesia's where you forget something, right?
     -- overhead in a parking lot

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Nicolas Alvarez wrote:
> WINE acronym stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator.

It originally stood for WINdos Emulator. Then someone pointed out that 
it doesn't emulate a processor (it runs x86 binaries on x86) and is 
merely an API/ABI compatibility layer. :-)

-- 
William Tracy
afi### [at] gmailcom -- wtr### [at] calpolyedu

The flavor of Redcode used in this guide is (mostly) the current de 
facto standard, the ICWS '94 Standard Draft with pMARS 0.8 extensions. 
(Sort of like the Netscape extensions to HTML... Hmm... Luckily we still 
don't have a Microsoft Corewar Simulator. Maybe they think the market's 
too small.)
     -- Ilmari Karonen, http://vyznev.net/corewar/guide.html

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Arttu Voutilainen <bli### [at] removethiszbxtnetinvalid> wrote:
> Also IIRC you should be able to get Windows support linux's filesystems
> (at least ext3 or 2, or both), but I never managed to get that working.
> The drivers just crashed for me every time I tried.. According to Eero
> it should be possible, though.

I've done this successfully by using the driver from http://www.fs-driver.org/
It only supports ext2, but since ext3 is backwards compatible with ext2 it
doesn't wreak much havoc. If you do changes though, the ext3 journal (?) must
be built up when you boot into linux again.. So it will take a little time for
a large drive.
Also I had some minor problems with some ISO stuff about non-english characters.

But, all in all, a great tool if you are dualbooting.

Tried XP 64-bit a few years back, but the drivers were not that good at the
time. 64-bit Linux is great though, it might be my imagination, but it feels
quite a bit faster.

-Peter

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