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From: Blue Herring
Subject: Re: Short code competition #5 - bring it on!
Date: 27 Nov 2007 13:25:00
Message: <web.474c5fbd5e68ae5ace5ce3790@news.povray.org>
I have an idea that may or may not be useful.  Perhaps instead of Quicktime
movies, you might consider flash animation.  I've been playing around with
png2swf and some advantages seem to be that it encodes really fast, the
animation is lossless, and its well supported on most peoples' browsers.  I did
a test of 100 400x300 png images generated by POV-Ray, and the resultant swf
file was about 118k, so I don't think size would be a big problem.  Encoding
that file took about 2 seconds.

Just a thought.


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From: Nicolas Alvarez
Subject: Re: Short code competition #5 - bring it on!
Date: 27 Nov 2007 14:41:31
Message: <474c72eb$1@news.povray.org>

> I have an idea that may or may not be useful.  Perhaps instead of Quicktime
> movies, you might consider flash animation.  I've been playing around with
> png2swf and some advantages seem to be that it encodes really fast, the
> animation is lossless, and its well supported on most peoples' browsers.  I did
> a test of 100 400x300 png images generated by POV-Ray, and the resultant swf
> file was about 118k, so I don't think size would be a big problem.  Encoding
> that file took about 2 seconds.
> 
> Just a thought.

No, both QuickTime and Flash are proprietary and crap. Having Flash 
seems like a good idea, as an *extra* apart from a standard format like 
MPEG2 or MPEG4.
Or Ogg/Theora if you want to go the open-but-not-quite-supported route.


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From: Mike the Elder
Subject: Re: Short code competition #5 - bring it on!
Date: 27 Nov 2007 15:00:00
Message: <web.474c77145e68ae5ae2b2e7080@news.povray.org>
"Paul Bourke" <pau### [at] uwaeduau> wrote:
> OK, it seems round 5 of the short competition is going to happen.
....
> Please forward any comments, complaints, suggestions either through this forum
> or directly by email to myself.
....
First, thanks for hosting the short code competitions, they're among my
favorites.

Second, I realize that this is a fairly large request, but I believe that it
would  go a long way toward enhancing the event: Is it possible to make
provisions for entrants/judges to submit comments along with the numerical
scores?  IMHO, feedback from fellow artists is one of the major benefits of
participating in competitions.

Best Regards,
Mike C.


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From: zeroin23
Subject: Re: Short code competition #5 - bring it on!
Date: 28 Nov 2007 01:30:01
Message: <web.474d0abe5e68ae5ab0f5bef80@news.povray.org>
Nicolas Alvarez <nic### [at] gmailisthebestcom> wrote:

> > hi hi
> > thought of adding a page to help new user like me?
> >
> > just came across these site
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/ccolefax/clockmod.html
> > The Clock Modifier include file lets you use POV-Ray's clock
> >
> > variable to animate scenes in complex ways, without having to do any
> >
> > of the maths yourself!
>
> But you can't use it for the contest. The include file alone is 7KB.

try looking at clockmod.inc, might give you some idea on playing with clocks
// CALCULATE MODIFIED CLOCK VALUE
// ******************************

haha, you are right, you cant include it, but I bet you can get some ideas from
it. 8)


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From: Paul Bourke
Subject: Re: Short code competition #5 - bring it on!
Date: 28 Nov 2007 06:55:00
Message: <web.474d56fd5e68ae5a65f2686d0@news.povray.org>
> No, both QuickTime and Flash are proprietary and crap.

Well I suggest saying QT is crap is a bit harsh.

> Having Flash  seems like a good idea, as an *extra* apart from a standard format
like
> MPEG2 or MPEG4.

I will look at MPEG4 closer to the time, but I am very aware of the artefacts it
can introduce to clean CG content ... never designed for that. Whereas with QT I
know I can choose a codec that doesn't introduce artefacts. Sure I know there is
an issue with Linux, and I knew the movie format was going to be an issue when I
proposed this.

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P a u l   B o u r k e
http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/


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From: Paul Bourke
Subject: Re: Short code competition #5 - bring it on!
Date: 28 Nov 2007 07:00:00
Message: <web.474d574f5e68ae5a65f2686d0@news.povray.org>
> First, thanks for hosting the short code competitions, they're among my favorites.

Thanks.

> Second, I realize that this is a fairly large request, but I believe that it
> would  go a long way toward enhancing the event: Is it possible to make
> provisions for entrants/judges to submit comments along with the numerical
> scores?  IMHO, feedback from fellow artists is one of the major benefits of
> participating in competitions.

I am in favour of that, moderated perhaps but yes a good idea.

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P a u l   B o u r k e
http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/


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From: Leroy
Subject: Re: Short code competition #5 - bring it on!
Date: 28 Nov 2007 12:46:30
Message: <474DA938.6000807@joplin.com>
Blue Herring wrote:
> I have an idea that may or may not be useful.  Perhaps instead of Quicktime
> movies, you might consider flash animation.  I've been playing around with
> png2swf and some advantages seem to be that it encodes really fast, the
> animation is lossless, and its well supported on most peoples' browsers.  I did
> a test of 100 400x300 png images generated by POV-Ray, and the resultant swf
> file was about 118k, so I don't think size would be a big problem.  Encoding
> that file took about 2 seconds.
> 
> Just a thought.
> 

Where did you get png2swf any way?
I search the net and all I found was references to it.


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From: Blue Herring
Subject: Re: Short code competition #5 - bring it on!
Date: 29 Nov 2007 11:45:00
Message: <web.474eebed5e68ae5ace5ce3790@news.povray.org>
Leroy <lrw### [at] joplincom> wrote:
> Where did you get png2swf any way?
> I search the net and all I found was references to it.

It is part of swftools.  For my system (Debian) I just needed to install the
swftools package.  The web page for the project is at http://www.swftools.org


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From: Mike the Elder
Subject: Re: Short code competition #5 - bring it on!
Date: 29 Nov 2007 13:05:00
Message: <web.474efeeb5e68ae5ae2b2e7080@news.povray.org>
"Paul Bourke" <pau### [at] uwaeduau> wrote:
....
> Please forward any comments, complaints, suggestions either through this forum
....
Question: Can entrants ask for "+KC" (turn on cyclical animation) in the .ini
file? It's possible, of course, to adjust the calculations in the code itself,
but that seems rather a Rube Goldberg approach.

Thanks in advance for your reply.

Regards,
-Mike C.


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From: Leroy
Subject: Re: Short code competition #5 - bring it on!
Date: 29 Nov 2007 19:15:36
Message: <474F55EB.5090109@joplin.com>
Blue Herring wrote:
> It is part of swftools.  For my system (Debian) I just needed to install the
> swftools package.  The web page for the project is at http://www.swftools.org

Thanks! That did the trick :)


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