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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Free Vector Editor exports to POV
Date: 20 Apr 2007 09:00:52
Message: <4628b984$1@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot nous apporta ses lumieres en ce 20-04-2007 08:03:
> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> schreef in bericht 
> news:pan### [at] nospamcom...
>> SVG is an XML file format - it should just open (and indeed it does, as
>> I've opened it in Inkscape myself).

>> The giveaway for XML files is the first line:

>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no"?>

>> And for this particular one, the second line has a comment indicating it
>> was created with Inkscape...

>> Jim


> Hm, yes, that is what I thought...
> Another stupid question then :-)
> How do I save this particular file to my system? I tried copying to a file 
> and save as .svg, but Inkscape won't accept that.

> Thomas


Right-click and select "Save as..."

-- 
Alain
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Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those
entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it
into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Free Vector Editor exports to POV
Date: 20 Apr 2007 10:17:10
Message: <4628cb66$1@news.povray.org>
"Alain" <ele### [at] netscapenet> schreef in bericht 
news:4628b984$1@news.povray.org...

> Right-click and select "Save as..."
>

Yeah, right!  However, the strange thing is that with this particular 
window, right clicking does *not* provide a "Save as..." !!!! Is this a 
quixotic behaviour of IE7???  I never experienced this before...

Thomas


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Free Vector Editor exports to POV
Date: 20 Apr 2007 11:15:01
Message: <web.4628d87ca1d76b2a731f01d10@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:
> "Alain" <ele### [at] netscapenet> schreef in bericht
> news:4628b984$1@news.povray.org...
>
> > Right-click and select "Save as..."
>
> Yeah, right!  However, the strange thing is that with this particular
> window, right clicking does *not* provide a "Save as..." !!!! Is this a
> quixotic behaviour of IE7???  I never experienced this before...

I apologise for such a simple post causing such problems! Have you tried
File->SaveAs? Or even right-clicking the link itself and going for 'Save
linked file'?

Bill


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From: Nicolas George
Subject: Re: Free Vector Editor exports to POV
Date: 20 Apr 2007 11:50:03
Message: <4628e12b@news.povray.org>
"Bill Pragnell"  wrote in message
<web.4627b764a1d76b2a371f76480@news.povray.org>:
> http://www.infradead.org/~wmp/tall_glass.svg
> 
> Download the file, open it in Inkscape. You'll see a half-cross-section of a
> full wine glass as two separate curves.

I see that the curve for the wine inside the class (not the open surface) is
not the same as the curve of the inner side of the glass. That is especially
true on the bottom. Is it done on purpose? Why?


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From: Bill Pragnell
Subject: Re: Free Vector Editor exports to POV
Date: 20 Apr 2007 12:15:01
Message: <web.4628e5fca1d76b2a731f01d10@news.povray.org>
Nicolas George <nicolas$george@salle-s.org> wrote:
> I see that the curve for the wine inside the class (not the open surface) is
> not the same as the curve of the inner side of the glass. That is especially
> true on the bottom. Is it done on purpose? Why?

Yes, to avoid coincident surfaces. There may be a small amount of
interreflection this way, but I can't detect it. This model is not the main
subject of the image it was intended for so I didn't try too hard.

I suppose a better way of doing it would be to make the wine/glass curve
match the glass inner surface exactly, and then scale the wine by
<0.999,1,0.999> or something. Must remember that! :-)

Bill


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From: Nicolas George
Subject: Re: Free Vector Editor exports to POV
Date: 20 Apr 2007 13:47:45
Message: <4628fcc1@news.povray.org>
"Bill Pragnell"  wrote in message
<web.4628e5fca1d76b2a731f01d10@news.povray.org>:
> Yes, to avoid coincident surfaces.

Of course!

> I suppose a better way of doing it would be to make the wine/glass curve
> match the glass inner surface exactly, and then scale the wine by
> <0.999,1,0.999> or something. Must remember that! :-)

Neither solution are satisfactory. For a long time, I think that PoV is
missing a way to cleanly deal with coincident surface: some declaration in
the scene that says "these surfaces are *meant* to be coincident, you must
handle them that way"


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From: Chris B
Subject: Re: Free Vector Editor exports to POV
Date: 20 Apr 2007 14:02:08
Message: <46290020$1@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote in message 
news:4628abee@news.povray.org...
>
> "Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> schreef in bericht 
> news:pan### [at] nospamcom...
>>
>> SVG is an XML file format - it should just open (and indeed it does, as
>> I've opened it in Inkscape myself).
>>
>> The giveaway for XML files is the first line:
>>
>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no"?>
>>
>> And for this particular one, the second line has a comment indicating it
>> was created with Inkscape...
>>
>> Jim
>
>
> Hm, yes, that is what I thought...
> Another stupid question then :-)
> How do I save this particular file to my system? I tried copying to a file 
> and save as .svg, but Inkscape won't accept that.
>
> Thomas
>

Hi Thomas,

If you can right click the link in Bill's note you should be able to 'save 
target as'. Then from Inkscape's 'File', 'Open' dialog you can select 'All 
Files' and double click the file. Or at least that works from Outlook 
Express and the Windows version of Inkscape.
You should be able to save with an extension of either .svg or .xml and it 
should open ok.

Regard,
Chris B.


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Free Vector Editor exports to POV
Date: 20 Apr 2007 14:05:40
Message: <pan.2007.04.20.18.04.00.982224@nospam.com>
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:03:01 +0200, Thomas de Groot wrote:

> How do I save this particular file to my system? I tried copying to a file
> and save as .svg, but Inkscape won't accept that.

Depending on the browser you're using, right click and select "Save Link
As..."?

I'm using Firefox 2 here, and it rendered the SVG properly and then I just
saved the page off -that worked fine for me.

Jim


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Free Vector Editor exports to POV
Date: 20 Apr 2007 14:16:19
Message: <46290373@news.povray.org>
Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
> > How do I save this particular file to my system? I tried copying to a file
> > and save as .svg, but Inkscape won't accept that.

> Depending on the browser you're using, right click and select "Save Link
> As..."?

  Why would that make a difference?

-- 
                                                          - Warp


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Free Vector Editor exports to POV
Date: 20 Apr 2007 14:17:56
Message: <pan.2007.04.20.18.16.17.346777@nospam.com>
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:16:19 -0400, Warp wrote:

> Jim Henderson <nos### [at] nospamcom> wrote:
>> > How do I save this particular file to my system? I tried copying to a
>> > file and save as .svg, but Inkscape won't accept that.
> 
>> Depending on the browser you're using, right click and select "Save Link
>> As..."?
> 
>   Why would that make a difference?

Because I don't know that all browsers use the same terminology.  I use
Firefox, avoid IE like the plague, and occasionally have used Opera.  I've
never used Safari - so I wouldn't want to be seen as saying "do this and
it works for all browsers" when I don't know that to be the case.

Jim


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