> I like the "round-robin" variation of the ping-pong idea.

Sounds like fun, although it is not as self-organizing and each
individual player will be idle most of the time. After pondering
over this for a while, I came up with the following variation of a
self-organizing concurrent multi-player povray ping pong (SOCMP4):

0. A round is opened by posting a starting image for generation 0
    and declaring a ping interval P (in days, probably).

1. Anyone who is interested can create a modified version of this
    image and post it before the ping interval elapses, using the
    phrase "generation 1" in the subject. After the interval has
    elapsed, the next turn is automatically considered open.

    (Although no organized supervision is needed, any kind soul
    may post a reminder at this point that turn 1 is over and the
    next deadline is in P days. Anyway, due to the nature of the
    proceedings, it shouldn't be too terrible if someone posts
    a late submission).

n. Anyone who is interested can create a modified version of one
    of the generation n-1 images, generously scavenging from the
    other generation n-1 images to the hearts desire.
    And should, of course, post it before the ping interval elapses,
    using the phrase "generation n" in the subject. After the interval
    has elapsed, the next turn is automatically considered open.

!  I suppose this thing should end after a fixed number of generations.
    The end result will usually consist of more than one image.

!  As a slight technicality, all submissions should be posted as
    a reply to the original post, and not as a reply to whatever
    image you ripped most of (ahem, make that learned most from),
    to avoid scattering generations in the thread.

!  Needless to say, participants and spectators may freely comment
    on any image which has been posted.

I am aware that rule 1 is completely unnecessary, but leaving
it out would probably have strengthened prejudices on the poor
communication skills of mathematicians ;)

Considering time zones, weekends, and other distractions, I'd
recommend P = 7 for the first attempt, which has the additional
advantage of deadlines at a fixed day of the week. Of course,
a really fast-paced thread would also be interesting.

Enough. I already dread rereading this in the light of a new day ;)

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"FrogRay" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht 
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> Now, while we're on the subject of competitions, does anybody know what's
> happened to the IRTC, beyond their notice of being "ON HIATUS" ?
>
Read the different threads in:
irtc.general
irtc.stills

You will be updated :-)

Thomas

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"Jeremy M. Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecmo> schreef in bericht 
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> This?
> http://hof.povray.org/capriccio.html
> It was a group project, but not quite "ping-pong" like Kyle described.
>
No, no! That was indeed a group project. No, there was a ping pong going on 
between two guys...

Thomas

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"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:
> "Jeremy M. Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecmo> schreef in bericht
> news:46012d4d$1@news.povray.org...
> >
> > This?
> > http://hof.povray.org/capriccio.html
> > It was a group project, but not quite "ping-pong" like Kyle described.
> >
> No, no! That was indeed a group project. No, there was a ping pong going on
> between two guys...
>
> Thomas

Rune or Slime might have been involved in the Gnip Gnop as James Thurber
called it

Stephen

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Christian Froeschlin <chr### [at] chrfrde> wrote:
> > I like the "round-robin" variation of the ping-pong idea.
>
> I came up with the following variation ...
> 0. A round is opened by posting a starting image for generation 0
>     and declaring a ping interval P (in days, probably)...
>
This sounds even better.  My NEW new plan is to post a generation zero
"ping" image on Sunday 03/25/07 if nobody else posts one prior to 12:00 GMT
on that date.

> I am aware that rule 1 is completely unnecessary, but leaving
> it out would probably have strengthened prejudices on the poor
> communication skills of mathematicians ;)
>
Roughly half way between Harvard and M.I.T. lies a quaint little district
known as "The Village."  There, in a local grocery store, a cashier noticed
that a professorial type who was wearing a tweed coat with corduroy patches
on the elbows, sporting a neatly trimmed bead and smoking a pipe was
blithely pushing a cart filled to the brim with copious items up to her
resister - which was clearly labeled with a sign reading "10 Items or
Less".  Hands on hips, she stared at him and asked curtly, "OK... which is
it?"

"Beg pardon?" he responded.

"Which is it," she clarified, "M.I.T. and can't read or Harvard and can't
count?"

Regards,
-Mike C.

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I don't think it needs to be that complicated.  I think you should just 
reply to any message in the thread, and include your own new image and 
modified source.

I've already started this in the p.b.i group.

...Chambers

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Kyle <hob### [at] gatenet> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:50:34 EST, "swampie" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
>
> >Comments Please?
>
>
> Instead of having a contest, how about having a round of ping-pong?  One player
creates a basic scene, and then anoth
er player takes that scene and adds his/her twist to it.  The scene then goes back
> and forth between the players for a predefined number of rounds.  Each pass between
the players can be posted in povr
ay.binaries.images and povray.binaries.scene-files so that everyone can observe the
> progress.
>
> Perhaps instead of just two players, it could become a round-robin event among a
group of players.  It would have to 
be somehow decided ahead of time who will be in the group and the order in which to
> pass the scene.  We'd probably have to account for players missing their round
and/or provide a time limit in which t
o complete changes.
>
> I think either one of these ideas would be fun.  It would likely have to be POV-Ray
only, since that would be the com
mon software in use amongst us all.  There would be no winners or losers, just a
> fun way for different talents to collaborate on a common scene.
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
> Kyle

How about a circle of players. Everyone does their own rev 0. Everyone signs
up at first so as to be numbered. After finishing rev 0, you pick up from
the person in the circular buffer ahead of you. ( Caveate: not everyone
uses all of the parts of POV- the code needs to be expertly documented for
understanding by all)

Great Idea!

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Chambers wrote:

> I don't think it needs to be that complicated.  I think you should just 
> reply to any message in the thread, and include your own new image and 
> modified source.

That is also fun and in fact I already participated. However, because
you don't know if another person is working on a change right now, each
player will only make a rather simple change which doesn't involve a
serious effort of more than a few minutes. So, it is a different
kind of game ;)

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Christian Froeschlin wrote:
> That is also fun and in fact I already participated. However, because
> you don't know if another person is working on a change right now, each
> player will only make a rather simple change which doesn't involve a
> serious effort of more than a few minutes. So, it is a different
> kind of game ;)


I don't really care if people are working on changes at the same time; I 
think it would be fun to see how the tree diverges from the original, 
and how different the resulting images could be :)

...Chambers

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"Chambers" <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> schreef in bericht 
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>
>
> I don't really care if people are working on changes at the same time; I 
> think it would be fun to see how the tree diverges from the original, and 
> how different the resulting images could be :)
>

And the first branching has taken place!!! Great!

Thomas

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