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"Kyle" <hob### [at] gate net> schreef in bericht
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> Instead of having a contest, how about having a round of ping-pong? One
> player creates a basic scene, and then another player takes that scene and
> adds his/her twist to it. The scene then goes back
> and forth between the players for a predefined number of rounds. Each
> pass between the players can be posted in povray.binaries.images and
> povray.binaries.scene-files so that everyone can observe the
> progress.
>
A couple of years ago, some people did just that in this community, but it
pettered out fairly rapidly as far as I can remember.
Thomas
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> You ask why? The last line of my post is why. I am for pushing POV-Ray to a
> higher level than what it is and right now it is the most impressive Free
> software that I know of in the world. The real question that comes back to you >
guys is why not take POV to higher
levels? I appreciate your comments but
> would > like some thinking on cranking> up POV.
>
A couple of points:
Pushing POV-ray to another level sounds great, but I'm just not sure HOW a
competition would achieve this end. Using every advanced feature in POV
just to see how much it can take is no guarantee of a breath-taking scene.
> I would like for it to become a
> standard educational tool for math, art and design, the world over.
Do you have kids at school or know any teachers that might enjoy using POV?
Tell them about it or offer to give a class at a local high-school.
Now, while we're on the subject of competitions, does anybody know what's
happened to the IRTC, beyond their notice of being "ON HIATUS" ?
And as for the Linux/Windows dichotomy ;) I use both and am quite
comfortable with both command line (how I learned to program in C) and
Fully-fledged visual tools such as Visual Studio
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"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote in message
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> "Kyle" <hob### [at] gatenet> schreef in bericht
> news:589003dq1kbn9gjvq4834llibshptidukf@4ax.com...
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>> Instead of having a contest, how about having a round of ping-pong? One
>> player creates a basic scene, and then another player takes that scene
>> and adds his/her twist to it. The scene then goes back
>> and forth between the players for a predefined number of rounds. Each
>> pass between the players can be posted in povray.binaries.images and
>> povray.binaries.scene-files so that everyone can observe the
>> progress.
>>
>
> A couple of years ago, some people did just that in this community, but it
> pettered out fairly rapidly as far as I can remember.
>
This?
http://hof.povray.org/capriccio.html
It was a group project, but not quite "ping-pong" like Kyle described.
Kyle has an interesting idea, imho. It could be similar to my "Give me
seven sentences" idea that I posted in p.o-t a few weeks ago. In other
words, one person posts a seed, and then others take it and add to it, with
the possibility creating multiple branches. In that way, no one is ever
held to any sort of responsibility. You can either add to it or not. It
certainly wouldn't be a contest, but the results may be interesting, and
depending on who joins-in, it could be a learning experience for a lot of
us.
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:33:40 +0100, "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet>
wrote:
>A couple of years ago, some people did just that in this community, but it
>pettered out fairly rapidly as far as I can remember.
I remember that from back when I first started out with POV-Ray, but I couldn't find
the posts anywhere when I was searching yesterday. It seems that google does not
crawl the povray.binaries.image
news group. A little more digging and I've found the series that I was looking for,
possibly the same one you are referring to...
http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.images/thread/%3C427baf44%40news.povray.org%3E/?ttop=240090&toff=1450
I guess it was called POV-Pong back then. Too bad that thread didn't continue. It
looked like it was going to be good.
We should definitely organize something similar. Jeremy's addition to the idea sounds
promising as well.
Kyle
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"Kyle" <hob### [at] gatenet> wrote in message
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> Too bad that thread didn't continue. It looked like it was going to be
> good.
Yeah, looks like Loki hasn't had a free evening for some time now. Poor,
hard-worked guy... ;)
~Steve~
> Kyle
>
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I like the "round-robin" variation of the ping-pong idea. I don't see why
it would need to be "instead of" a contest. It could just be one more
interesting event for anyone who wanted to participate. The trick would be
to keep the organization simple and get started soon. If nobody else
starts a round by Sunday, 03/25/07 12:00 GMT, I will. If anyone else would
like to go first, feel free. My whole thrust with respect to the "IRTC in
Limbo" issue is: more image making and friendly exchange; less
territorialism, debating, finger-pointing and recrimination. 3D-RTC/TINA
CheP is good because it is actually happening and people can enjoy it.
Round Robin Creative POV will be good for exactly the same reason. It's
true enough that any undertaking in which numerous people are going to
participate will need some ground rules and an organizer or two to make
decisions, but IMHO the IRTC proper sometimes went WAY overboard in this
regard. Adding judging and prizes to a participatory event should ADD to
the enjoyment, not DETRACT from it. This is supposed to be FUN for crying
out loud! If anyone who doesn't want to actually start a round-robin event
would like to toss out suggestions on how to improve one (without making it
more complicated), I'll watch this thread and accommodate the wishes of
prospective players as far as reason and circumstances will allow. For the
sake of brevity, I'll respond to suggestions collectively on
03/25 (should I be the one to start a round) rather than responding
individually. My thanks go out to the many people who are making positive
contributions to keeping the "social ray-tracing" phenomenon alive.
Best Regards,
Mike C.
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Hey, here's an idea for the topic!
http://news.povray.org/povray.text.scene-files/thread/%3Cweb.45ff13a5e7f00d1334d207310%40news.povray.org%3E/
Just pick a date in the future and plug in the Dow Jones Industrial Average
(to two decimal places) in that file, and render!
"Mike the Elder" <zer### [at] wyanorg> wrote:
> I like the "round-robin" variation of the ping-pong idea. I don't see why
> it would need to be "instead of" a contest. It could just be one more
> interesting event for anyone who wanted to participate. The trick would be
> to keep the organization simple and get started soon. If nobody else
> starts a round by Sunday, 03/25/07 12:00 GMT, I will. If anyone else would
> like to go first, feel free. My whole thrust with respect to the "IRTC in
> Limbo" issue is: more image making and friendly exchange; less
> territorialism, debating, finger-pointing and recrimination. 3D-RTC/TINA
> CheP is good because it is actually happening and people can enjoy it.
> Round Robin Creative POV will be good for exactly the same reason. It's
> true enough that any undertaking in which numerous people are going to
> participate will need some ground rules and an organizer or two to make
> decisions, but IMHO the IRTC proper sometimes went WAY overboard in this
> regard. Adding judging and prizes to a participatory event should ADD to
> the enjoyment, not DETRACT from it. This is supposed to be FUN for crying
> out loud! If anyone who doesn't want to actually start a round-robin event
> would like to toss out suggestions on how to improve one (without making it
> more complicated), I'll watch this thread and accommodate the wishes of
> prospective players as far as reason and circumstances will allow. For the
> sake of brevity, I'll respond to suggestions collectively on
> 03/25 (should I be the one to start a round) rather than responding
> individually. My thanks go out to the many people who are making positive
> contributions to keeping the "social ray-tracing" phenomenon alive.
>
> Best Regards,
> Mike C.
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> I like the "round-robin" variation of the ping-pong idea.
Sounds like fun, although it is not as self-organizing and each
individual player will be idle most of the time. After pondering
over this for a while, I came up with the following variation of a
self-organizing concurrent multi-player povray ping pong (SOCMP4):
0. A round is opened by posting a starting image for generation 0
and declaring a ping interval P (in days, probably).
1. Anyone who is interested can create a modified version of this
image and post it before the ping interval elapses, using the
phrase "generation 1" in the subject. After the interval has
elapsed, the next turn is automatically considered open.
(Although no organized supervision is needed, any kind soul
may post a reminder at this point that turn 1 is over and the
next deadline is in P days. Anyway, due to the nature of the
proceedings, it shouldn't be too terrible if someone posts
a late submission).
n. Anyone who is interested can create a modified version of one
of the generation n-1 images, generously scavenging from the
other generation n-1 images to the hearts desire.
And should, of course, post it before the ping interval elapses,
using the phrase "generation n" in the subject. After the interval
has elapsed, the next turn is automatically considered open.
! I suppose this thing should end after a fixed number of generations.
The end result will usually consist of more than one image.
! As a slight technicality, all submissions should be posted as
a reply to the original post, and not as a reply to whatever
image you ripped most of (ahem, make that learned most from),
to avoid scattering generations in the thread.
! Needless to say, participants and spectators may freely comment
on any image which has been posted.
I am aware that rule 1 is completely unnecessary, but leaving
it out would probably have strengthened prejudices on the poor
communication skills of mathematicians ;)
Considering time zones, weekends, and other distractions, I'd
recommend P = 7 for the first attempt, which has the additional
advantage of deadlines at a fixed day of the week. Of course,
a really fast-paced thread would also be interesting.
Enough. I already dread rereading this in the light of a new day ;)
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"FrogRay" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht
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> Now, while we're on the subject of competitions, does anybody know what's
> happened to the IRTC, beyond their notice of being "ON HIATUS" ?
>
Read the different threads in:
irtc.general
irtc.stills
You will be updated :-)
Thomas
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"Jeremy M. Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecmo> schreef in bericht
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> This?
> http://hof.povray.org/capriccio.html
> It was a group project, but not quite "ping-pong" like Kyle described.
>
No, no! That was indeed a group project. No, there was a ping pong going on
between two guys...
Thomas
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