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"swampie" <nomail@nomail> wrote in message
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> Can there be a contest to promote POV to a more robust, more all
> encompassing language that will cause it to last through the graphics
> producing ages by forcing the contest to use POV, just POV, and only POV?
'No' is the answer.
~Steve~
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Meothuru <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> > Unix/Linux people don't need nor want a builtin editor
> Completly wrong....
> I'm far away to be a SDL-handcoding-taliban.
> I love the comfort of the KPOV-modeler.
"Builtin editor" = "builtin text editor", as in the Windows version.
--
- Warp
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My name's Rarius and I'm a hand coder.
I don't denigrate anyone who uses a modeller, Poser or any other tool. It is
just that POV SDL suits the way my mind works and I find I can do some
bloody intricate and powerful things in it. Many years ago I downloaded a
Lightwave model of a B5 Shadow ship... all 12Mb of it as a triangle mesh! I
did the same as a SDL Blob in under 10kb! SDL is better for some things,
Modellers are better for others... The Best is when the two are used
together in the right way.
I agree that there could be a SDL/Hand coded competition... but at the same
time there could be a modeller only competition. Might be interesting to
compare the two!
Rarius
"gregjohn" <pte### [at] yahoo com> wrote in message
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> As for linux command line vs. POV-Ray for Windows(TM) vs. KDE modeller vs.
> that python thing that's out there, I have an opinion, based on hundreds
> of
> hours poured into "big animation projects" done with many of the above
> systems.
>
> I really like the use of linux's KATE (KDE Advanced Text Editor) as my
> text
> editor. It does more for instantaneous debugging of SDL (with color-coded
> text, counting brackets, etc.) than anything else I've seen, including the
> windows editor. Now if only I didn't have to keep going to shell to hit
> the
> up arrow key and return. But even then, the most efficient work flow I
> find
> is to code-while-animating. Run a low-res animation and keep making saved
> changes to your SDL every 90 seconds.
>
>
> I instigated the Short Code Contests with the purpose of making an
> evangelistic tract for povray. One motivation was seeing the main
> povray.org website being taken over by a splash page with an exhaustively
> photorealistic rendering of a Poser swimsuit model. My thoughts were that
> if a nonbeliever were to see *that* at the highest form of what pov could
> do, you'd be utterly bored. Oh boy, yet another replacement for the
> raytracing engine of Poser, et al., or a replacement renderer for models
> made in those $$$$-ware apps. Ho hum. That you COULD use models
> professionally made in Maya overshadows the extremely cool stuff you can
> do
> in povray SDL itself. That splash page also spoke to the ongoing elbow
> fight (perhaps more bitter a one than Windows vs. Mac) between "fun with
> visual communication" and "pedantically exhaustive photorealism."
>
> Again, I say show someone that swimsuit poser girl and then show them the
> typical winner of a SCC, explaining what's involved in making each image,
> and then see how fast each one runs to your download page.
>
>
> One answer to "why can't someone put on a contest that..." is always "Why
> don't YOU put one on?" I started my own SCC, and then eventually Paul
> Bourke ran on with one of his own.
>
> Disclaimer: I am one of those hand-coder only folks.
>
>
>
> "swampie" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
>> If you read the upsurge of comments about POVCOMP 2004, a question was
>> left
>> unanswered. Can you have a contest that uses POV, just POV, and ONLY POV?
>> Several comments by the artist in the contest admit using numerous
>> software
>> packages. I believe POV-RAY will only be truely rung out during a POV
>> only
>> contest. This should be an opportunity to gain significant feedback for
>> the
>> advancement of POV-RAY.
>>
>> Comments Please?
>
>
>
>
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"Rarius" <rar### [at] rariuscouk> wrote:
> My name's Rarius and I'm a hand coder.
>
[snip]
> I agree that there could be a SDL/Hand coded competition... but at the same
> time there could be a modeller only competition. Might be interesting to
> compare the two!
>
> Rarius
>
nitpicking but if you want to run two competitions you could have one for
pure hand coding and one for assisted by a modeller. Or subsections in the
same competition.
My tuppence worth.
Stephen
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While I believe this is an interesting discussion overall, let me put here a
blasphemous thought in this context: Why a contest or a competition? While I
enjoy participating in a contest or two once in a while, I must say that
they distract me also from the current rendering projects I am working on.
That is why I love p.b.i. because you can show whatever you want to show and
get response at the same time. I don't care very much about the contest
spirit itself. Personally, I am much more interested in the evolution of
concepts and styles people are showing us here.
Thomas
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"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:
> While I believe this is an interesting discussion overall, let me put here a
> blasphemous thought in this context: Why a contest or a competition? While I
> enjoy participating in a contest or two once in a while, I must say that
> they distract me also from the current rendering projects I am working on.
> That is why I love p.b.i. because you can show whatever you want to show and
> get response at the same time. I don't care very much about the contest
> spirit itself. Personally, I am much more interested in the evolution of
> concepts and styles people are showing us here.
>
> Thomas
Stephen
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"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> wrote:
> "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> wrote:
> > While I believe this is an interesting discussion overall, let me put here a
> > blasphemous thought in this context: Why a contest or a competition? While I
> > enjoy participating in a contest or two once in a while, I must say that
> > they distract me also from the current rendering projects I am working on.
> > That is why I love p.b.i. because you can show whatever you want to show and
> > get response at the same time. I don't care very much about the contest
> > spirit itself. Personally, I am much more interested in the evolution of
> > concepts and styles people are showing us here.
> >
> > Thomas
>
>
> Stephen
Wow!
Lot's of better comments this time. The reason for a contest is it spurs
actions that day to day " Hey, what if we did this?" evolution won't see
the need for. In other words, the pressure of a contest brings out the best
and worst of a tool you are competing with. While I agree ( from an American
viewpoint) that too much competition can be bad, even to the point of
causing damage, I think POV is safe here. As for improvements being up to
the POV Team, I'm sure they would appreciate the inputs that a competition
would cause. After all look how good they've done so far! As for me
starting my own contest, I'm afraid I'm a pauper. Usually the best interest
in a competition comes when a major player advertizer offers a major prize.
( I'll bet that Johnny Yip of the 2004 competition hasn't thrown away that
prize yet!)
Thanks to all,
Swampie
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"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> schreef in bericht
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>
> Don't you dare bring the majority view into this:-) And that coming from
> someone who can't find the time to think of entering a competition.
>
Oups! That hurts! :-)
Thomas
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"swampie" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Wow!
>
> Lot's of better comments this time. The reason for a contest is it spurs
> actions that day to day " Hey, what if we did this?" evolution won't see
> the need for. In other words, the pressure of a contest brings out the best
> and worst of a tool you are competing with. While I agree ( from an American
> viewpoint) that too much competition can be bad, even to the point of
> causing damage, I think POV is safe here. As for improvements being up to
> the POV Team, I'm sure they would appreciate the inputs that a competition
> would cause. After all look how good they've done so far! As for me
> starting my own contest, I'm afraid I'm a pauper. Usually the best interest
> in a competition comes when a major player advertizer offers a major prize.
> ( I'll bet that Johnny Yip of the 2004 competition hasn't thrown away that
> prize yet!)
>
> Thanks to all,
>
> Swampie
Can you run that by me again, in English :-)
Flippancy aside, Does a prize increase the standard? My personal opinion is
like sport there is more fun in being an amateur.
Stephen
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"Rarius" <rar### [at] rariuscouk> wrote:
> bloody intricate and powerful things in it. Many years ago I downloaded a
> Lightwave model of a B5 Shadow ship... all 12Mb of it as a triangle mesh! I
> did the same as a SDL Blob in under 10kb!
Scary, spidery things as I recall. It might have been the actual model used
for the effects shots, too... didn't they use Lightwave? On a render farm
of Amigas, IIRC...
Bill
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