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From: Renderdog
Subject: POV-Ray Reference Ideas
Date: 3 Jan 2005 13:40:00
Message: <web.41d990e41ab32ed4832e48f90@news.povray.org>
Probably time for a thread of its own...


> What's keeping us from starting a Wiki?
> Or better, continuing the existing one at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POV-ray
>
> We only need to agree on a useful lay-out and the thing can grow on its own.

There are already a lot of excellent tutorials out there.
Personally, the official documentation provides plenty of
useful information. More illustrations and color images like
http://www.f-lohmueller.de/pov_tut/addon/insert65.htm
would probably help. The TAG questions and tips pages
are also great.

What I'd like is a quick and in-depth reference for textures,
effects, methods, etc. A tool that would reduce the number
of test renders POV-Ray users have to make to get what they're
trying for. A simple picture with the POV-Ray code right
next to it, well-commented so it can be understood and
easily modified. All under a common format so it would be
fast and easy to navigate. And up-to-date with the latest
techniques and tricks.

Mike Williams' isosurface tutorial has proved to be incredibly
valuable to me
http://www.econym.demon.co.uk/isotut/index.htm
and it would be nice to have that kind of reference for all
of POV-Ray's features.

Great ideas like
http://book.povworld.org/
and
http://objects.povworld.org/
often stagnate due to lack of interest or the person driving
it drifts away from POV-Ray, so it would require someone
with an ability to stick to it over the years, and it would
be better if it was officially maintained so it's always
available.

Later this year I may be available to start a project like
this, should others not get it rolling before then.

-Mark Slone


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From: Renderdog
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Reference Ideas
Date: 3 Jan 2005 14:25:00
Message: <web.41d99b787fa2ab18832e48f90@news.povray.org>
Jim Charter <jrc### [at] msncom> wrote:
> Maybe host some short texture contests
> Best Suede, Best Car Paint, Best Chlorophyl etc, where the deliverable
> is SDL not an image.  Entries would be rendered and judged in a matrix
> of predetermined lighting setups.

Good idea, that could be an important tool to keep the
reference lively and up-to-date.

One thing I've found is the same texture looks totally
different at different distances or lighting changes,
so many different versions of the same texture would be
valuable.


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From: Renderdog
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Reference Ideas
Date: 3 Jan 2005 14:30:01
Message: <web.41d99d217fa2ab18832e48f90@news.povray.org>
Recently found this. Tom Fine's website provides a very nice
format for objects and textures:

http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~fine/POV/pov.html


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From: Maurice
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Reference Ideas
Date: 3 Jan 2005 15:14:59
Message: <41d9a7c3@news.povray.org>
Renderdog wrote:

> Great ideas like
> http://book.povworld.org/

This site is out of date. Apart from the index page many links are to 
non-existent sites. Already many tutorials seem lost. The idea looks 
good though.

> and
> http://objects.povworld.org/

The links here seem to work okay. Probably because most point to sources 
on the same server (povworld.org).

> often stagnate due to lack of interest or the person driving
> it drifts away from POV-Ray, so it would require someone
> with an ability to stick to it over the years, and it would
> be better if it was officially maintained so it's always
> available.

The Wiki-concept is IMHO worth considering. It distributes the effort of 
layout and maintenance to the individual contributors. Thus reducing the 
risk of content being dependant on one peron.

My initial idea of using Wikipedia is perhaps not a very good one. Their 
server is rather slow. But, ofcourse one could add a link to the 
tutorial pages elsewhere. I'm not sure whether the server of povray.org 
is capable of supporting this.

> 
> Later this year I may be available to start a project like
> this, should others not get it rolling before then.


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From: Neil Kolban
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Reference Ideas
Date: 3 Jan 2005 15:23:40
Message: <41d9a9cc@news.povray.org>
I am all in favor of this.  I too vote for a Wiki based set of pages.  Count
me in.

Neil


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From: Tom Melly
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Reference Ideas
Date: 3 Jan 2005 15:34:52
Message: <41d9ac6c@news.povray.org>
"Renderdog" <slo### [at] hiwaaynet> wrote in message
news:web.41d990e41ab32ed4832e48f90@news.povray.org...
> Probably time for a thread of its own...
>
> Maurice <celtic_246 [at] nospamhotmailcom> wrote:
> > What's keeping us from starting a Wiki?
> > Or better, continuing the existing one at
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POV-ray
> >

A wiki would be nice - gets my vote.


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From: Tom Galvin
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Reference Ideas
Date: 3 Jan 2005 15:58:45
Message: <41d9b205$1@news.povray.org>
Tom Melly wrote:

> 
> 
> A wiki would be nice - gets my vote.
> 
> 
Here ya go.  Once the root DNS servers are updated, then

http://povray.tirnalong.com/

will point directly to

http://168.100.192.152/

I also added a link on http://www.tirnalong.com/ to the wiki.


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From: Neil Kolban
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Reference Ideas
Date: 3 Jan 2005 17:24:28
Message: <41d9c61c@news.povray.org>
Tom,
Looks good.  Thanks for setting this up.  Where shall we put the image files
so that we can reference them?

Neil

"Tom Galvin" <tom### [at] impnospamorg> wrote in message
news:41d9b205$1@news.povray.org...
> Tom Melly wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > A wiki would be nice - gets my vote.
> >
> >
> Here ya go.  Once the root DNS servers are updated, then
>
> http://povray.tirnalong.com/
>
> will point directly to
>
> http://168.100.192.152/
>
> I also added a link on http://www.tirnalong.com/ to the wiki.


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From: Neil Kolban
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Reference Ideas
Date: 3 Jan 2005 17:40:46
Message: <41d9c9ee$1@news.povray.org>
How do we add new pages?

Neil


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From: Tom Galvin
Subject: Re: POV-Ray Reference Ideas
Date: 3 Jan 2005 23:28:58
Message: <41da1b8a$1@news.povray.org>
Neil Kolban wrote:
> Tom,
> Looks good.  Thanks for setting this up.  Where shall we put the image files
> so that we can reference them?
> 

I have enabled uploading attachments for image files(gif,png,jpg,jpeg). 
  For additional help start here:

http://povray.tirnalong.com/ow.asp?Help


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