abx### [at] abxartpl news:5fhfh0pj9ki0lrbthi8icdo4hapdo4rap9@4ax.com

> Out of curiosity, do you have some lawyer (English skilled) in the
> team of your boss who readed licences of POV-Ray and agreed you to
> process on the licenses or is this contract (between your boss and
> POV-Team) based on your language skills ? I'm not skilled myself but I
> do not make any deal with Team. 

I only asked are they willing to grand licence to distrubiute PovRAY along 
with commercial program on one CD (since "please go to www.povray.org and 
download, etc..." is not tolerable - program must be lames-friendly and 
install everything from my program to povray renderer in "one click").

We do have a lawyer AFAIK (it's boss job to sign licence, not mine, but 
since I know PovRAY and my boss just found about it when I suggested is as 
rendere...).
 
>> p.s. perhaps we have someone from Australia here
> http://www.aussie.org/ :-)
 
> Common, Rafal, we are part of EU in XXI century. Even good old Pocztex
> guarantees max 4 days to Australia http://www.pocztex.pl/terminy.htm

Ok, this will make things easier.


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abx### [at] abxartpl news:eogfh0p5756kpg7c1tor4olpmjsp73mmgn@4ax.com

>> If they wont respond to my boss also, we will probably just let go of
>> PovRAY idea - I will write for Blender or other simmilar project
> Revenge ?

Uhm? I will not write renderer myself in one moth fro scratch ;) so only 
option is to use another product, isn't it?

>> will NOT be known to additional severl thousends computer users, they
> Nice tone of speech, very nice.

? I also wish all that things would come true, but if PovTeam will not 
allow me to use PovRAY, what else can I do?

>> Again, 
>> is it possible to contact Pov-Team *direcly* in metters of PovRAY
>> license? 
> Possible solution: http://tag.povray.org/

Thnx


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On 9 Aug 2004 15:02:20 -0400, "Rafal 'Raf256' Maj" <spa### [at] raf256com> wrote:
> install everything from my program to povray renderer in "one click"

IIRC performing action after one click is pattented somewhere.
Or is it only for buying ? http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazonpatent.html

ABX

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> IIRC performing action after one click is pattented somewhere.
> Or is it only for buying ?
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/amazonpatent.html 
> 

We will worry about that when selling to countries with quite
<rot13>shpxrq hc</rot13> pattents laws, like the USA (btw, another reason 
to "love" this country), AFAIK distributor is now willing to sell it in 
Poland, then perhaps in UE (don't know about plans for USA).

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abx### [at] abxartpl news:eogfh0p5756kpg7c1tor4olpmjsp73mmgn@4ax.com

> *any* ? Team member answered to you 30 minutes after 
> your original post 9 days ago.

Yes, after that I go to pointed WWW and read license, and from what I 
understand I have to ask for license/permission in writting, so I did write 
request same day (or was it next day?) and no response, even reading 
confirmation so far.
 
>> will NOT be known to additional severl thousends computer users, they
>> will be no nice program with "uses PovRAY" logo on it, www.povray.org

When I would HAVE to use other renderer, then logo will say - 
uses Blender renderer, or uses Rayshade renderer(lol - it's quite old today 
;), or last possibility - we will drop writting this program in general 
(because budget is too low probably to buy some other good rendering 
solution in this first version of the program).
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"Rafal 'Raf256' Maj" <spa### [at] raf256com> wrote:
> I will tomorrow sign contract, everything is beautiful (best - most
> interesting job so far in my carrerr), only PovTeam didnt give *any*
> response to my license request.

I didn't respond yet because I am very busy right now. Other folks who send
email to the team co-ordinator address have to on occasions wait up to two
weeks for me to assess the request, and you have only waited 8 days.

I will now look at what you have written and respond.

-- Chris

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> I will tomorrow sign contract, everything is beautiful (best - most
> interesting job so far in my carrerr), only PovTeam didnt give *any*

Incidentally if a request needs to be handled urgently you ought to say
so in the email. Your email made no reference to a deadline.

-- Chris

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new### [at] deletethispovrayorg news:4117d2ba@news.povray.org

> Incidentally if a request needs to be handled urgently you ought to say
> so in the email. Your email made no reference to a deadline.

Sorry about that and thank You very much, I will reply to email right-now.

PovRAY is important part of program, but on the other hand any 3d renderer 
can be oused, and 90% of work in program is done in top-to-down view 
editing 2D floor plans (in editor that I will write in C++), one of options 
of program will be to save plans in some formats, -OR- to dump all data to 
a 3D format, including .pov'ray and call povray renderer then to make nice 
visualiztion of work effects.

I realy would love to use povray, since I know it best.

PovRAY *output* (renders) will also be used in program (but for that we 
don't need agreement AFAIK).

80% of program is that 2D editor, perhaps with some small wire-frame-3d 
preview (openGL maybe). Then results can be saved to .bmp etc, perhaps to 
some vector 2d format, and hopefully to .pov.

I will cleryfie in email.

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spa### [at] raf256com news:Xns9540DE8AA8EF3raf256com@203.29.75.35

> PovRAY is important part of program, but on the other hand any 3d
            ^^^^^^^^
  
> renderer can be oused, and 90% of work in program is done in
> top-to-down view 

Let me again cleryfie here - important - it is a cool and interesing future  
to have 3D visualization, and it is very important to me right now since I 
already promise it (and I will be learning some other 3d program, or OpenGL  
in other case).

But this is a CAD program, with additional (yet cool and fun) possibility 
of seeing 3d results of work.  It can work without any 3D renderer (only - 
my boss will kill me for changing my mind, but thats other case ;), and it 
definetely can work without PovRAY. 

I think adding other 3d visualization (like OpenGL) is a good idea, I was 
hoping to add it a bit later in second edition of program (and now to allow 
vector formats) but since PovTeam dont want PovRay to be an essential part 
of a program I will start with at least wire 3d preview (since I dont have 
too much time to learn OpenGL good, and I know PovRay quite well :)

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z99### [at] bellsouthnet news:4117c608@news.povray.org

> (As a nosey, butting-in type comment, I'd think the POV team
> could put a little priority on things like this where someone's
> *paying job* is involved...a bit more important than just any
> ol' request-for-contact that's put on the bottom of queue
> of things-to-do, yes?  O.o  )

Thanks, I talk it over it with PovTeam cordinator, unfortunetly PovRAY will 
not be probably distributed along with first version of my program, and I 
will have to limit my programs support for PovRAY and concentrate on 
OpenGL/wireframe rendering - see also my new toppic.

Still, thanks to all PovRay creators for developing such software, with 
(even in some uncomfortable license limits) will help me do my commercial 
work :)

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