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Just my nickles worth, but having bought another program, Poser 5, and
finding that it was rushed to meet a timetable, complete with fatal bugs and
a poorly thought out interface, take all the time you need for the next POV.
Timetable shouldn't mean anything and there is no excuse for releasing
something as bad as poser was, before the 57 megs of patches to make it
work. (And it's still unstable)
Cheers
Greybeard
"Stephen McAvoy" <mcavoys[at]AOLdotCOM> wrote in message
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>
> IIRC (If I remember correctly) Pov-Ray 3.5.1 is a maintenance release (bug
fix).
> Pov-Ray 4.0 is under development and will be released when it is ready.
There is
> no timetable for this.
>
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Jim Charter wrote:
> Oh sure, but still, could that much interest each month be generated by
> a dead or invalid product? Like I said, I found it impressive, but
> maybe I am easily impressed ;-) If only 1% of the hits represent valid
> new interest, I am still impressed.
I suspect the "valid new interest" level remains fairly high. There is no small
number of people who have been exposed to the images created by POV-Ray but I
also suspect that once they download the program, and find out it doesn't work
like Photoshop, their interest quickly wanes. Unfortunately, POV-Ray appeals to
a niche market and I doubt it will ever be a maintsream program for the masses.
--
Ken Tyler
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Ken wrote:
> Unfortunately, POV-Ray appeals to
> a niche market and I doubt it will ever be a maintsream program for the masses.
Hmmm... Maybe that should read fortunately. :)
--
Ken Tyler
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Dave Matthews wrote:
> it is invaluable when teaching vector calculus. And I've hardly begun to
> scratch the surface of the mathematical teaching applications,
The potential here, always tantalizes. I studied vectors in my fifth
year of highschool. If you wanted to go to university in those days you
had to take five years of highschool. It was a fairly tedious year for
young men and women anxious to enter the world and I think that math
would have been a lot more vivid to me if I'd had something like POV to
play with. But I admit I don't have any specific ideas about how to
incorporate POV with teaching. Any attempts I have made to interest
highschool math teachers I know have not lead to much interest. I would
be interested to know what you are doing.
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in news:3fe0851d@news.povray.org Jim Charter wrote:
> But I admit I don't have any specific ideas about how to
> incorporate POV with teaching. Any attempts I have made to interest
> highschool math teachers I know have not lead to much interest. I
> would be interested to know what you are doing.
>
Although the emphasis is on Python, POV-Ray certainly has a role in it:
http://www.4dsolutions.net/ocn/numeracy0.html
http://www.4dsolutions.net/ocn/cp4e.html
Ingo
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"ABX" <abx### [at] abx artpl> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:02:48 -0000, "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
> > LOL! Heheh... Now please calm down Mr. ABX...
>
> That's probably my english formulation because I wasn't upset at
all. I just
> tried to describe what would I do myself to verify what's about POV4
and
> current development. I'm surprised it sounded agresively and it
wasn't my
> intention. Sorry for that.
Hey, please don't apologise, it didn't sound as aggressive as you
think, and what you asked, was correct imo. :)
>
> > Have you had some coffee yet..? ;)
>
> Two at that time.
NOT ENOUGH!!!! ;)
~Steve~
>
> ABX
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ingo wrote:
> Although the emphasis is on Python, POV-Ray certainly has a role in it:
>
> http://www.4dsolutions.net/ocn/numeracy0.html
> http://www.4dsolutions.net/ocn/cp4e.html
>
>
Great links, thanks!
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"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
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> I suspect the "valid new interest" level remains fairly high. There is no
small
> number of people who have been exposed to the images created by POV-Ray
but I
> also suspect that once they download the program, and find out it doesn't
work
> like Photoshop, their interest quickly wanes. Unfortunately, POV-Ray
appeals to
> a niche market and I doubt it will ever be a maintsream program for the
masses.
The ability to "code a picture" is what really appealed/appeals to me, but
yeah, I would agree that to non-coders, that's a draw-back. I've talked to
a couple people about POV-Ray who seemed really interested in learning to
use it, but the coding aspect generally scares people away. For me, it's
POV-Ray's biggest selling-point. My mouse-skills suck, even with 100 levels
of undo. ;-)
--
Jeremy
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"GreyBeard" <r.b### [at] sbcglobalnet> wrote in message
news:3fe06dad$1@news.povray.org...
> Just my nickles worth, but having bought another program, Poser 5, and
> finding that it was rushed to meet a timetable, complete with fatal bugs
and
> a poorly thought out interface, take all the time you need for the next
POV.
> Timetable shouldn't mean anything and there is no excuse for releasing
> something as bad as poser was, before the 57 megs of patches to make it
> work. (And it's still unstable)
>
Luckily, I bought Poser 5 recently, and so far it hasn't disappointed me,
possibly because it's already all patched-up. I had just as many problems
with Poser 4. But I haven't used it extensively.
I think the big difference with time-tables is just that in the business
world, delaying the release can cost a company dearly. As someone who
writes software for a living, and having had to push back a lot of dates,
it's never a pleasant experience to explain to management "why". And here I
am posting to the newsgroup... (shhhh)
--
Jeremy
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"Jeremy M. Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecom> wrote in message
news:3fe0d240@news.povray.org...
> "GreyBeard" <r.b### [at] sbcglobalnet> wrote in message
> news:3fe06dad$1@news.povray.org...
> <Hack!>
> Luckily, I bought Poser 5 recently, and so far it hasn't disappointed me,
> possibly because it's already all patched-up. I had just as many problems
> with Poser 4. But I haven't used it extensively.
Fortunately, most of the figures I need are at a distance, and BlobMan
serves nicely, the only time I use poser is on the rare occasions I need a
close up.
>
> I think the big difference with time-tables is just that in the business
> world, delaying the release can cost a company dearly.
Possibly the timetable was not realistic?
> As someone who
> writes software for a living, and having had to push back a lot of dates,
> it's never a pleasant experience to explain to management "why".
It's never a pleasant experience to explain anything to management. A book
keeper that rose to the presidents position in a tractor company has no
concept of the real world. (Jerry Smith, J.I.Case Co.) But I would think
having a few bruises from a later than expected release would be better than
killing your customer base with a product that doesn't work.
POVRay team, take your time. Each release is better than the last, which
far beats a bunch of bandaids for a mummy.
Greybeard
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