I was sort of thinking that we might not want to do a space flick or
battle...I like them and think it would be cool, but I also feel it is
somewhat overused and people might think "Oh man, another CG space
flick."

Also, if anyone wants me to, I can run ideas through with my friends
(most would be high school students at my school, but I could ask
others).

That's just my two cents,
Josh

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Steffen Walter wrote:

> There is yet another major possibility: things are much easier if our
> characters are sitting in vehicles (as starships, cars, ...) because you will
> only need minor movements of the character itself, while animating the vehicle
> is easy and effective.

This is exactly what sixties puppet animation producer Gerry Anderson
did.  He created the popular children's shows "Supercar", "Fireball XL5"
, "Thunderbirds" and others.  Budget and other constraints forced him to
use puppet animation.  He could not solve the problem of realistic human
movement, especially walking, with puppets, so he made his shows
vehicle-centric.  It worked well and his shows were and are very popular
in spite of the lack of realism.  It is a matter of using technical
constraints to define a style and producing something in that style that
is good on its own terms.  The fact that photorealistic humans are not
very feasible now is no reason to avoid using humans.  Like Anderson,
just find a creative way to make the limits work for you.

Jerry Anning
cle### [at] dholcom

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Nieminen Mika <war### [at] cctutfi> wrote:

>   It should be nice to use all the nice features of povray, like reflection,
> refraction, atmosphere, halo, lens flare (ok, it's not really a povray
> feature, but I think we can consider it so since it's just an include file),
> focal blur, maybe radiosity (at least in some scenes) etc. Let's show the
> power of a raytracer :)

Perhaps we want to use some of the povray patches for at least some 
scenes. What I primarily think of is the isosurface patch. Say that we
want to have dripping water making ripples as it hits the water surface
(in different locations everytime) - easy to trace with the isosurface
patch but quite difficult otherwise. Also the macro facility in the
isosurface patch could come in handy in a project of this size... I bet
lots of other patches have their advantages too - the only problem must
be the (lack of) availability of readily ported versions of the patches
for some plattforms.

/ Mathias Broxvall

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Thomas Willhalm <Tho### [at] uni-konstanzde> wrote in article
<qqm### [at] uni-konstanzde>...

<snip>
> 
> The same is true for me. But I think that the "M" can be easily
interpreted
> as a "W". Perhaps it would make sense to turn the object so that the "M"
is
> on the upper triangle. Apart from this: Are you sure that the music isn't

> copyrighted?
> 

I agree.  The "M" is too easily confused with "W".  Maybe if the logo
rotated at the end instead of standing still, so that each letter came
upright in turn?

The music was pasted together from orchestral samples off a music CD and
should probably not be used since it is probably covered by copyright. 
That was just tossed in to give it some life.  I will, of course, compose
an original fanfare for any logo we end up using.

Which brings up the issue of musical style.  This is probably premature
since we haven't even settled on a theme or storyline yet.  But there are a
lot of directions to go with the music.  We could use the "rock-ish" new
age type used in the mind's eye video, or more traditional "dramatic
orchestral" movie music, or jazz style, or...?  (I've composed in all these
styles, and I'm sure there are others who would be interested in
contributing compositions to the project.)

Like I said, this is probably premature, but as I recall major animation
studios do the whole soundtrack first, and then synch the animation to the
sound.

--Gary.

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Hi All,

As already advertized somewhere in one of the multiple MovieProject Thread, take a
look at the article about the Cathedral and the Bazaar model, very interesting for
htis sort of project.
While saying this I take the opportunity to add that it takes a person like Johannes
to manage the thing : a voluntary mind, ready to face the challenge, fast in
communication and business, who compliments others when due, who makes things move,
who is liked for his social behaviour.
Many people may have better talents, but that is not the point, it takes one who does
it.

You thanked me for my vote, but I think it was the most natural thing for me to do,
and you are more than welcome. I would not dream of your 'seat' ever, yet I know it
must be thrilling.

To answer Johannes directly about putting me on the mailing list, of course, feel
free. I just did not want to bugger you too much with just one more email. And since
what I write often applies to the group rather than just yourself, I make it public.

By the way, I would like to add that this IRC link may be a brilliant idea for some,
but as you said yourself on one occasion, making the project worlwide leaves wide time
differences between some of us.
Therefore even though it is an important means of communication it shall not be the
primary means. The mailing list shall always remain the primary means of
communication.
It would also be nice to have a two way mailing list : one where everybody can send
messages to everybody. To that effect I understand the article about the cathedral and
the bazaar is educative as well : see fetchmail if you don't have any other answer for
a two way mailing list.

C U L8R
Al.


Johannes Hubert wrote (only snippets) :

> Alain CULOS wrote in message <355### [at] bigfootcom>...
> >I guess you all agree to vote for Johannes as our overall director. Nobody
> said so, but by replying to that chances are you agree, yet it would be
> nicer if people really said they agree.
> >Johannes has my VOTE for the seat of director of this project.
>
> Thanks :-)



> To Alain:
> I didn't get a mail from you, but judging from your posts here I guess you
> are interested, so I put you on the mailinglist anyway. That's ok?
>
> Johannes.

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I fully support this point of view. That is I think the most efficient style we can
carry out without major difficulties that would gather a wide range of interest
outside CG scene.

Al.


Nieminen Mika wrote (snippet):

> I think it's better to make a really good and funny animation with
> object-characters than unrealistically rigidly moving cyborgs or robots.

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On 15 May 1998 05:35:32 GMT, "Gary Shannon" <reb### [at] teleportcom>
wrote:

[snip]
>Which brings up the issue of musical style.  This is probably premature
>since we haven't even settled on a theme or storyline yet.  But there are a
>lot of directions to go with the music.  We could use the "rock-ish" new
>age type used in the mind's eye video, or more traditional "dramatic
>orchestral" movie music, or jazz style, or...?  (I've composed in all these
>styles, and I'm sure there are others who would be interested in
>contributing compositions to the project.)
>
I think I'd suggest classical - simply because it's too late for it to
age quickly (so musically at lest the project should be just as
"up-to-date" at completion's end as at the projects start).

Anything more contemporary might be "out of date" by the time there's
a result ready to ship...?
Cheers,

Cliff Bowman
Why not pay my 3D Dr Who site a visit at
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dimension/7855/
PS change ".duffnet" to ".net" if replying via e-mail

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Alain CULOS wrote in message <355B6761.14200E8F@bigfoot.com>...
>As already advertized somewhere in one of the multiple MovieProject Thread,
take a look at the article about the Cathedral and the Bazaar model, very
interesting for htis sort of project.

I checked it out. Interesting, but I fear software development issues are a
bit different than the project at hand. But what the article does give, is
the impression, that this "distributed, bazaar-style" development actually
*can* work.

>While saying this I take the opportunity to add that it takes a person like
Johannes to manage the thing : a voluntary mind, ready to face the
challenge, fast in communication and business, who compliments others when
due, who makes things move, who is liked for his social behaviour.

Woa! Now people even realize I'm a nice guy through my postings alone! ;-)
Tomorrow I'll try walking on water :-))

Bye,
Johannes.

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On Tue, 12 May 1998 14:04:15 +0100, "Justin Whitton" >I can be a
>Render-Slave if required. My own machine is a K6-233 and it sits
>idle during the day, and I have access to two Pentium 133 which can be used
>during the night and weekends.

	I might also be able to serve as a render-slave, although my
own time is kind of limited. I have a P400 w/128M running Winblows 95,
and I'm hacking around with trying to learn Linux on a P100 (which
also has Winblows installed), so both might be available. What effort
would this require to set up?

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Check out the following URL
http://www.algonet.se/~jhubert/MovieProject/
The have a lot of info on how to join the project.

gol### [at] pcisysnet wrote:

> On Tue, 12 May 1998 14:04:15 +0100, "Justin Whitton" >I can be a
> >Render-Slave if required. My own machine is a K6-233 and it sits
> >idle during the day, and I have access to two Pentium 133 which can be used
> >during the night and weekends.
>
>         I might also be able to serve as a render-slave, although my
> own time is kind of limited. I have a P400 w/128M running Winblows 95,
> and I'm hacking around with trying to learn Linux on a P100 (which
> also has Winblows installed), so both might be available. What effort
> would this require to set up?

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