I seem to be wrong indeed. Those updates concerned the sample scene files, 
not the .inc files.

[I type faster than my thoughts...]

So, to answer your request, that seems a great idea. I shall browse through 
my texture collection to see if anything is worthwhile there.

Thomas

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"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote in message
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> I seem to be wrong indeed. Those updates concerned the sample scene files,
> not the .inc files.

yes that's correct, however I did make some changes to glass includes ...

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"[GDS|Entropy]" <gds-entropy AT hotmail DOT com> wrote in message
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>  Compatibility with radiosity also a plus.

This one gets my vote! If I want to use any of the "canned" textures I've
been redefining the finishes by setting a variable, then a conditional test
in the finish block .... so moving that overhead into an include file sounds
like a winner to me.

Jim

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"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> Forgive me if I am wrong, but just a question: There has been an major
> updating effort of the .inc files done by Jim Holsenback c.s. somewhen last
> year. Is your project not duplicating their effort to some extent?

What has happened to that effort then?

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"clipka" <nomail@nomail> wrote in message
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> "Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> > Forgive me if I am wrong, but just a question: There has been an major
> > updating effort of the .inc files done by Jim Holsenback c.s. somewhen
last
> > year. Is your project not duplicating their effort to some extent?
>
> What has happened to that effort then?

maybe I wasn't clear (wouldn't be the first time) ....

there was work done on sample scene files. I didn't mess with the includes
with the exception of the glass includes

Cheers

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"Jim Holsenback" <jho### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> "[GDS|Entropy]" <gds-entropy AT hotmail DOT com> wrote in message
> news:49cbdec4@news.povray.org...
> >  Compatibility with radiosity also a plus.
>
> This one gets my vote! If I want to use any of the "canned" textures I've
> been redefining the finishes by setting a variable, then a conditional test
> in the finish block .... so moving that overhead into an include file sounds
> like a winner to me.
>
> Jim


I have done something similar to make my finishes work during test renders with
no radiosity, then switch to a more radiosity-compatible version with a single
variable change.

My default finish settings are similar to below, as set by a custom include
file:
//CODE:
#ifndef( scene_ambient ) #local scene_ambient = 0.15; #end
#ifndef( scene_diffuse ) #local scene_diffuse = 0.85; #end

#default{

#default{
    finish
    {
        ambient scene_ambient
        diffuse scene_diffuse
    }
}


Within the actual scene, I have something like:
#declare use_radiosity = off;
#declare use_mc = off;

#if( use_radiosity | use_mc )
 #declare scene_diffuse   = 0.99;
 #declare scene_ambient   = 0.00;
 #declare light_intensity = 0.50;
#else
 #declare scene_diffuse   = 0.90;
 #declare scene_ambient   = 0.15;
 #declare light_intensity = 0.85;
#end

The most important part is mainly the ambient component of the finish, since
using the same ambient value for a radiosity scene as compared to a
non-radiosity scene usually looks wrong.

I know there is always the concern of identifier name collisions, but having a
switch or two that toggles some of the commonly changed components of the
finishes would be very handy.


-Reactor

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"[GDS|Entropy]" <gds-entropy    AT    hotmail   DOT  com> wrote:
> I have decided to fix/improve some of the standard include files that come
> with PovRay, and submit them to the POV Team for inclusion. The first on the
> list is metals.inc.
>
> The include files will be done one by one, starting with the texture
> includes.
>

Not concerning textures, but rather shapes.inc:  I came up with some
changes/fixes to the HF-generating macros there (some necessary, some of my own
choosing), which I posted...

http://news.povray.org/povray.advanced-users/thread/%3Cweb.48e0b5a74b96f64378dcad930%40news.povray.org%3E/

and

http://news.povray.org/povray.general/thread/%3Cweb.48f6d3aa220cdb3e78dcad930%40news.povray.org%3E/

The thing is, I'm not so sure how to proceed; my changes probably need vetting
by the POV team.  (They work great for me, no problems--but my code could
probably be improved by more astute programmers.  And some of my simple changes
*do* slow down the .inc file's execution...which could probably be fixed by some
better code.) And there are one or two needed fixes that I never got around to,
due to a lack of code knowledge on my part.

But all in all, I think my changes are good ones, and remove some buggy behavior
with hi-rez HFs. Consider my efforts to be a 'template' to be further improved.

Ken W.

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BTW, I'd be happy to post my modified shapes.inc file, if it would be helpful.

KW

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"[GDS|Entropy]" <gds-entropy    AT    hotmail   DOT  com> wrote:

> I would also like to have the community donate their best textures to this
> effort. It will be important for these textures to use features that v3.7
> will have, no megapov specific textures, please. Compatibility with
> radiosity also a plus.
>
> Depending on the volume of response, I may make a portal available on my
> site for this purpose. That would be later if needed at all.
>
> I will take care of contact sheets.
>
> So for now, bring your best textures!
>
> ian

Regarding our texture ideas: Should we post them here? If so, I'm thinking that
it might be better to switch this thread over to p.b.i--before it gets too
involved--so that we can post images of what our textures look like. Just a
thought.

KW

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Greetings.

Any modified .inc files that others have done would be great to post as 
well.

Below you will find a program which can assist finding textures on your HDD 
for this project:
http://www.friedemann-schmidt.com/software/index.html

It will not properly preview with 3.6/3.7, but does generate valid contact 
sheets.

I have contacted the author about updating or relaesing the source, but I 
expect no joy in either department.

Find here Fredrich Lohmullers insert menu add-on:
http://f-lohmueller.de/pov_tut/addon/insert0.htm

I think this might be a good thing to include in the default installation of 
povray as well.
I have asked him if he would be cool with this, currently waiting for a 
response.

ian

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