"Fredrik Eriksson" <fe79}--at--{yahoo}--dot--{com> wrote:
> Typically, Vista will notify you when an installer needs administrative
> privileges, and prompt the user, but not always. It may have something to
> do with the name of the installer; at least that is how it worked in XP.

Executables can have a "manifest" saying they need admin privileges. The
same kind of manifest used on Windows XP for an app to say it wants to be
XP-styled (by loading the newer common controls library).

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Good news, Chris!

It is time for a file conversion tool (import/export), I think. And the 
radiosity should be change from alpha to regular. Well, let's see. But 
POV-Ray is a masterpeice of good work!

My best wishes for the team, and lots of thanks,

Sven

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4896261e$1@news.povray.org...
> Curious thing then that the posting by SafePit here was okay even though 
> UAC was on... something about Vista Basic? This was another lesson for me 
> in using Vista, to look at UAC first not last.

It worked OK here too (Vista Home Premium) with UAC on. The only issue, as 
previously reported, is that AppData is hidden by default, so users must 
unhide it to be able to browse through the ini and demo scenes files.

G.

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Gilles Tran wrote:
> It worked OK here too (Vista Home Premium) with UAC on. The only issue, as 
> previously reported, is that AppData is hidden by default, so users must 
> unhide it to be able to browse through the ini and demo scenes files.

I wasn't aware of that (hadn't noticed when testing). The installer does
however place a link to the scene files in the start menu group and IIRC on
the desktop.

It's also rather ironic if hidden is in fact the default; according to the
InstallShield documentation, one of the requirements for Vista logo
cerfification is that files installed for non-admin users go under AppData.

-- Chris

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le message de news: 4896dc60@news.povray.org...
> I wasn't aware of that (hadn't noticed when testing). The installer does
> however place a link to the scene files in the start menu group and IIRC 
> on
> the desktop.

OK I'll have a look.
>
> It's also rather ironic if hidden is in fact the default; according to the
> InstallShield documentation, one of the requirements for Vista logo
> cerfification is that files installed for non-admin users go under 
> AppData.

Apparently the question of where to install + store writeable files in Vista 
does not have an easy answer.
http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2007-February/094217.html
Also it looks like InstallShield doesn't have a variable for 
CSIDL_COMMON_DOCUMENTS so workarounds are needed.
http://community.installshield.com/showthread.php?t=159616 (see last 
message)
http://community.installshield.com/showthread.php?t=181423

G.

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On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:39:26 +0200, Chris Cason  
<del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
> It's also rather ironic if hidden is in fact the default; according to  
> the
> InstallShield documentation, one of the requirements for Vista logo
> cerfification is that files installed for non-admin users go under  
> AppData.

"Application Data" is where you store configuration files and such. Files  
that users work on directly go under "My Documents" or "Shared Documents".


-- 
FE

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"Gilles Tran" <gil### [at] agroparistechfr> wrote in message 
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>

> dans le message de news: 4896dc60@news.povray.org...
>> I wasn't aware of that (hadn't noticed when testing). The installer does
>> however place a link to the scene files in the start menu group and IIRC 
>> on
>> the desktop.

I was overlooking the scene file shortcut at first because I don't show 
icons in order to better see the background image wallpaper (a pov 
rendering). My most-used programs are on Quick Launch, or last used list of 
the Start Menu.
I know now the shortcut will provide access to those files outside of POV, 
despite them not showing in Computer or user file lists.

>> It's also rather ironic if hidden is in fact the default; according to 
>> the
>> InstallShield documentation, one of the requirements for Vista logo
>> cerfification is that files installed for non-admin users go under 
>> AppData.
>
> Apparently the question of where to install + store writeable files in 
> Vista does not have an easy answer.
> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2007-February/094217.html
> Also it looks like InstallShield doesn't have a variable for 
> CSIDL_COMMON_DOCUMENTS so workarounds are needed.
> http://community.installshield.com/showthread.php?t=159616 (see last 
> message)
> http://community.installshield.com/showthread.php?t=181423


Helping me by reading more... found a web page describing path changes from 
older Windows to Vista:

http://www.svrops.com/svrops/articles/jpoints.htm

When I read what I could find about AppData\Roaming things began making less 
sense. ;)

Just saw what Fredrik Eriksson said and the Users\Public location comes to 
mind, but that's after the short reading I was doing before. I'm sure 
something will work out, I have faith.
-- 
/*bob hughes*/

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Chris Cason wrote:
> It's also rather ironic if hidden is in fact the default; according to the
> InstallShield documentation, one of the requirements for Vista logo
> cerfification is that files installed for non-admin users go under
> AppData.

Files local to a specific user account. That doesn't necessarily mean "files
the user will want to see or tinker with".

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Gilles Tran wrote:
> Apparently the question of where to install + store writeable files in Vista 
> does not have an easy answer.
> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2007-February/094217.html
> Also it looks like InstallShield doesn't have a variable for 
> CSIDL_COMMON_DOCUMENTS so workarounds are needed.
> http://community.installshield.com/showthread.php?t=159616 (see last 
> message)
> http://community.installshield.com/showthread.php?t=181423

Thanks for that; it's an interesting read. Glad to know I'm not the only
one scratching their head.

I did think of installing the scene files etc into 'My Documents' (and its
equivalent on Vista*). But - perhaps I am too pedantic - I have always
disliked 'My Documents' and don't even tend to use it on my own machine. I
simply find the name Microsoft gave it as quite condescending. I realise
this is not a good technical reason to avoid using it in an installer and I
might very well end up doing this; I guess it's just habit that I avoid it:)

If I do move the files I will probably move them all from AppData. While
there are some files in AppData that don't need to be in My Documents (e.g.
the Insert Menu, which already has a means of being opened from the program
directly), I really don't want to have three separate locations for POV
files (e.g. in the case of an all-users install).

-- Chris

* At least Microsoft got rid of the 'My ...' prefix in Vista.

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