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"Mike the Elder" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Warp <war### [at] tag povrayorg> wrote:
> > In povray.general John D. Gwinner <john punctuation gwinner punc cornell punc edu>
wrote:
> > > However, that could lead to a 'lock out' over a long period of time. So I'd
> > > be tempted to say "sure" but then for every winning image, you have to take
> > > that round 'off', minus one. Meaning, if you won with one image, you could
> > > submit the next round. If you won with three images, you'd have to take off
> > > 2 months in a row. Someone else needs a chance!
> >
> > That doesn't sound very fair to me. It's like you get banned, penalized
> > for being too good.
> >
> > --
> > - Warp
>
>
> I was browsing the IRTC thread to see if anything new had come up and came
> across the above discussion that I had read before without any interesting
> ideas popping into my head. Upon revisiting it, however, I came up with a
> notion that I would like to share for consideration.
>
> Both John and Warp have good points. On one hand, having the same person or
> small group of people win again and again can make the event a lot less
> compelling for new participants. On the other hand, penalizing excellence
> doesn't seem like a good thing either. Sometimes, a problem can be better
> addressed by making new opportunities than by making new rules. How about
> this: Anyone who wins more than a certain number of times (say three in a one
> year period just for an example) receives an INVITATION to participate in a
> special "Honor Gallery" for a period of time(specific period negotiable).
> Honor Gallery members would have their images for new rounds prominently
> displayed with the opportunity for viewers to comment and would have full
> voting privileges, but their images would not be voted on. No one would be
> compelled to accept an Honor Gallery invitation, so any individual who finds
> the competitive aspect of the event an essential part of his or her experience
> would be free to participate as a normal entrant.
>
> In this way, the message to highly talented participants would be "You've made
> it to the top and have nothing more to prove," rather than "You're too good so
> we don't want you."
>
> It's just an idea. Feedback is welcomed.
>
> Best Regards,
> Mike C.
Dunno about others ....
I have fun creating things, and have more fun showing it to others. Back then
when the competition was on, I did enter several time, never win anything.
But I ain't complaining since my aim was to share what I create to others,
that's all. Plus, I never use my real name, and with the use of disposable
email addresses, no one knows who I am. :)
Oh well ....
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Dunno about others ....
>
> I have fun creating things, and have more fun showing it to others. Back then
> when the competition was on, I did enter several time, never win anything.
>
> But I ain't complaining since my aim was to share what I create to others,
> that's all. Plus, I never use my real name, and with the use of disposable
> email addresses, no one knows who I am. :)
>
> Oh well ....
>
I did IRTC around 10 years ago. It was fun, I agree. However, these days where
every video game is putting up 20 images per second of stunning computer graphics,
while we have to slave for weeks to get something that doesn't look nearly as good.
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"Mike the Elder" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> I was browsing the IRTC thread to see if anything new had come up and came
> across the above discussion that I had read before without any interesting
> ideas popping into my head. Upon revisiting it, however, I came up with a
> notion that I would like to share for consideration.
>
> Both John and Warp have good points. On one hand, having the same person or
> small group of people win again and again can make the event a lot less
> compelling for new participants. On the other hand, penalizing excellence
> doesn't seem like a good thing either. Sometimes, a problem can be better
> addressed by making new opportunities than by making new rules. How about
> this: Anyone who wins more than a certain number of times (say three in a one
> year period just for an example) receives an INVITATION to participate in a
> special "Honor Gallery" for a period of time(specific period negotiable).
when I was looking at the IRTC, "ok great, where's the beef (code)?"
Call it "penalizing excellence":
Honor Gallery members would have the mandatory privilege of revealing their
Otherwise its just meaningless egomania - elitist crap - very similar to what's
killing world economy. A few with exclusionary mentality, spoiling it for
everyone else, not sharing the wealth; which is info/data in the Information
Age, as in examples for improvement and growth of all. Those on a superiority
trip only prove their inferiority. FOR ALL or #^(% *#@$. IMHO
regards,
aQ
> Honor Gallery members would have their images for new rounds prominently
> displayed with the opportunity for viewers to comment and would have full
> voting privileges, but their images would not be voted on. No one would be
> compelled to accept an Honor Gallery invitation, so any individual who finds
> the competitive aspect of the event an essential part of his or her experience
> would be free to participate as a normal entrant.
>
> In this way, the message to highly talented participants would be "You've made
> it to the top and have nothing more to prove," rather than "You're too good so
> we don't want you."
>
> It's just an idea. Feedback is welcomed.
>
> Best Regards,
> Mike C.
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:08:25 EDT, "alphaQuad" <alp### [at] earthlinknet> wrote:
>when I was looking at the IRTC, "ok great, where's the beef (code)?"
>
>Call it "penalizing excellence":
>Honor Gallery members would have the mandatory privilege of revealing their
>Otherwise its just meaningless egomania - elitist crap - very similar to what's
>killing world economy. A few with exclusionary mentality, spoiling it for
>everyone else, not sharing the wealth; which is info/data in the Information
>Age, as in examples for improvement and growth of all. Those on a superiority
>trip only prove their inferiority. FOR ALL or #^(% *#@$. IMHO
>
>regards,
>aQ
Do you really think the code is what makes a good image? If so, you're quite naive.
Plus, I imagine that most would share with you if you asked politely. Since when is
something that is mandated a
privilege? Yeah right.
Take your off-topic ranting elsewhere. It's really not wanted here. Sorry.
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David Buck <dav### [at] simberoncom> wrote:
> As you likely know, the IRTC (Internet Ray Tracing Competition) has been
> down for over a year now. I've been in discussions with Chris Cason for
> a while now on how we can resurrect it and I'm happy to announce that
> we've come up with a proposal.
>
> I have assembled a small group of developers including myself and Randal
> Schwartz who will volunteer our time to re-write the software in
> Smalltalk using the Seaside web framework. In the process, we will try
> to address some of the issues that led to the demise of the previous
> system and add some flexibility to do more fun things with the site in
> the future.
>
> I do realize that while the IRTC was down, the TC-RTC started up. There
> has been some discussion here that there's no need for two competitions.
> Still, it's the IRTC that has the most visibility and the new site
> should attract a lot more. We will import all of the previous years
> competition results into the system and have them available for viewing
> once the site is up.
>
> If you have any questions or suggestions, you can send them to me at
> dav### [at] simberoncom. Please include the text IRTC in the subject line.
>
> I'll keep you advised as the development progresses.
>
> David Buck
Any updates on this project?
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Josh Cryer wrote:
>
> Any updates on this project?
>
We are in the final phases of preparing for a launch. It should be
available soon.
David
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David Buck wrote:
> Josh Cryer wrote:
>>
>> Any updates on this project?
>>
>
> We are in the final phases of preparing for a launch. It should be
> available soon.
Which is IT speak for, "The first ninety percent of the project is
complete. We are now working on the second ninety percent of the project."
Regards,
John
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John VanSickle wrote:
> David Buck wrote:
>> Josh Cryer wrote:
>>>
>>> Any updates on this project?
>>>
>>
>> We are in the final phases of preparing for a launch. It should be
>> available soon.
>
> Which is IT speak for, "The first ninety percent of the project is
> complete. We are now working on the second ninety percent of the project."
>
> Regards,
> John
Exactly. ;-)
We will open the site with the look and feel that we have right now
developed by one graphic artist. It will have all the functionality but
some aspects of the layout don't look as good as they could.
We've had another graphics artist volunteer to help out and he has some
completely different ideas and approaches to the web site. We like his
ideas but need time to change the software to accommodate the new look.
So, we've decided to go with an initial launch of the original look
and feel.
David Buck
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David Buck <dav### [at] simberoncom> wrote:
> We will open the site with the look and feel that we have right now
> developed by one graphic artist. It will have all the functionality but
> some aspects of the layout don't look as good as they could.
>
> We've had another graphics artist volunteer to help out and he has some
> completely different ideas and approaches to the web site. We like his
> ideas but need time to change the software to accommodate the new look.
> So, we've decided to go with an initial launch of the original look
> and feel.
Sounds good - open it up as soon as possible! I'm sure there are plenty of
people in the community that can help with code and graphic/graphic design. I'd
be happy to for one!
> David Buck
Cheers,
Edouard.
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David Buck <dav### [at] simberoncom> wrote:
> As you likely know, the IRTC (Internet Ray Tracing Competition) has been
> down for over a year now. I've been in discussions with Chris Cason for
> a while now on how we can resurrect it and I'm happy to announce that
> we've come up with a proposal.
Hello all,
after that the new site is up for testing, I see that the last round, upon which
no more voting was possible because of the Big Hiatus, I don't find no longer
the images of that last round (except for when we use
http://ftp.irtc.org/index.html). I guess it's because that round was closed
before it really started.
Now, what I think would be great, is when that round would be revived so the
images and the posters can rest in peace.
If that's for some reason not applicable, it would at least be nice to include
that incomplete round in the regular "Past Rounds" schedule.
Sidenote: I was also a contributor in that last round
(http://ftp.irtc.org/stills/2006-12-31/view.html), and posted with an old and
now invalid email address (current address is phresnel\0gmail\1com, replace \0
with @, replace \1 with .). Actually it was my first participation ever, and
since then my soul is wandering in unrest).
Many greets and have a great day everybody
Sebastian Mach (http://phresnel.org , http://picogen.org)
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