Warp wrote:
>   I haven't advertised my real name for many years, so maybe that's why
> it might appear that I have "disappeared". I just use this nickname.
> 
What is your real name? I thought is was Warp :)

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Yo,

I do remember you, and Rune as well. :-D
Glad to see that I am not the only povGeezer here. ;-)
We still have Gilles Tran, but I wonder what happened to Ken the Grand 
Link-Master?

I felt of course that due to my long absence I must complete the Obligatory 
Reflective Sphere Over Checkered Plane image once more..
And keeping true to my style I've made the fool thing in such a way as to 
take a few hours to render. ;-D

I swear I won't be happy until I'm running some insane multi-qubit quantum 
computer with a few hundred petabytes of storage and optical/biological/god 
knows what kind of ram. :-D

I will post the "result" in p.b.i when done. (it only took a few min. to 
write so don't expect much)

ian

"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message 
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> [GDS|Entropy] <gds### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>> I am glad to see old names still at work, and new ones as well, though I 
>> do
>> wonder what happened to Tor Olav Kristensen, H.E. Day, Chris Huff, 
>> Nieminen
>> Juha and Mick Hazelgrove. If any of you all are still out there, may your
>> work live on and inspire new generations! ;-D
>
>  Apparently you haven't seen my thousands of posts here. :P
>
>  I haven't advertised my real name for many years, so maybe that's why
> it might appear that I have "disappeared". I just use this nickname.
>
> -- 
>                                                          - Warp

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Hmm...well it would seem that at this point in time you are correct, though 
I do remember an old macro meant to translate pov-ray objects into meshes 
which could be exported..

Additionally, being a programmer I find it hard/difficult to accept that it 
is *completely*  impossible to export a great deal of pov-ray functionality 
into one or many programs, and this is something that I think I will at 
least experiment with once Lightwave arrives at my house.

Essentially POV SDL is very close in structure to most C-like programming 
languages, and given this, perhaps one could translate pov-sdl into some 
form of XML which could be further manipulated using XSL-FO to produce 
scenes or objects which could be loaded into another renderer, and 
vise-versa.

Seriously, a CSG is a CSG and a sphere is a sphere...
Most of the complication I forsee would be in the translation of materials, 
lighting models and particle effects, which would be less complicated with 
procedural applications like Houdini and those compatible with the Renderman 
interface, like BMRT.

So logistically I think this is at least feasible, and at most a serious 
PITA.

If we can write programs which translate chinese into english, java to 
c#/vb, and dwg to dgn, how hard could SDL conversion be?

I suppose I will find out! ;-D

ian
Nothing that seems logically possible will be any fun to attempt. ;-)

"Jan Dvorak" <jan### [at] centrumcz> wrote in message 
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> See the FAQ. there is no way to export.

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> Additionally, being a programmer I find it hard/difficult to accept that 
> it is *completely*  impossible to export a great deal of pov-ray 
> functionality into one or many programs, and this is something that I 
> think I will at least experiment with once Lightwave arrives at my house.

It's possible in theory, it's just that no one has done much past a few
meshes.

> Essentially POV SDL is very close in structure to most C-like programming 
> languages, and given this, perhaps one could translate pov-sdl into some 
> form of XML which could be further manipulated using XSL-FO to produce 
> scenes or objects which could be loaded into another renderer, and 
> vise-versa.

It's quite a bit like C, the hardest parts, like the pre-processor commands.
Macros are parsed to replace multiple or even partial commands and objects.

> Seriously, a CSG is a CSG and a sphere is a sphere...
> Most of the complication I forsee would be in the translation of 
> materials, lighting models and particle effects, which would be less 
> complicated with procedural applications like Houdini and those compatible 
> with the Renderman interface, like BMRT.
>
> So logistically I think this is at least feasible, and at most a serious 
> PITA.

POV doesn't provide a tesselation of objects, so the tesselation would
need to come from the conversion utility, because unfortunately
a sphere is not just a sphere in many other formats, but a bunch of
triangles, or nurbs.

> If we can write programs which translate chinese into english, java to 
> c#/vb, and dwg to dgn, how hard could SDL conversion be?

Hard.

> I suppose I will find out! ;-D
>
> ian
> Nothing that seems logically possible will be any fun to attempt. ;-)

Good luck =)

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[GDS|Entropy] wrote:
> Yo,

BTW, are you the same Ian who used to talk about UT all the time?

> I do remember you, and Rune as well. :-D
> Glad to see that I am not the only povGeezer here. ;-)
> We still have Gilles Tran, but I wonder what happened to Ken the Grand 
> Link-Master?

The AI experiment known as "Ken" was finally reabsorbed into the Matrix 
for analysis.  The extinction of humanity should be imminent.

J/k.  I have no idea, as I've read these forums sporadically at best :(

> I swear I won't be happy until I'm running some insane multi-qubit quantum 
> computer with a few hundred petabytes of storage and optical/biological/god 
> knows what kind of ram. :-D

Why would that make you happy?  You'll still have to wait for your 
renders to complete :)

-- 
...Ben Chambers
www.pacificwebguy.com

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"Chambers" <ben### [at] pacificwebguycom> wrote in message 
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>
> BTW, are you the same Ian who used to talk about UT all the time?

UT? Do you mean Unreal Tournament? If so, then no. There have been one or 
two other Ians here. :-|
There can be only one!! :-D

>> I do remember you, and Rune as well. :-D
>> Glad to see that I am not the only povGeezer here. ;-)
>> We still have Gilles Tran, but I wonder what happened to Ken the Grand 
>> Link-Master?
>
> The AI experiment known as "Ken" was finally reabsorbed into the Matrix 
> for analysis.  The extinction of humanity should be imminent.
>
> J/k.  I have no idea, as I've read these forums sporadically at best :(

:-D
Yeah, it seems he vanished. :-\

>> I swear I won't be happy until I'm running some insane multi-qubit 
>> quantum computer with a few hundred petabytes of storage and 
>> optical/biological/god knows what kind of ram. :-D
>
> Why would that make you happy?  You'll still have to wait for your renders 
> to complete :)
>

Too true. But holy hell, just imagine the KIND of renders we could be 
waiting on... 8-D

ian

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"[GDS|Entropy]" <gds### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message 
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> Yo,
>
> I do remember you, and Rune as well. :-D
> Glad to see that I am not the only povGeezer here. ;-)

I've been here for ten years...? Oh my, I suppose I have!

And in that timespan of ten years, POV-Ray have progressed from version 3.0 
to 3.7 (almost). I think maybe this has a psychological effect of making me 
feel I haven't been around for that long...

Rune
-- 
http://runevision.com

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[GDS|Entropy] wrote:
> Glad to see that I am not the only povGeezer here. ;-)

I'm likely the povGeezer who has been around the longest.  I just tend 
to watch what's going on and stay quiet.  I'm too busy with lots of 
other things to get engaged in long conversations.  Besides, I'm a bit 
out of date with the latest features of POV-Ray and the people here do a 
better job at responding to questions and comments.  I just like to keep 
track of what's going on (and look at the latest images being produced).

David (Kirk) Buck

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I feel your pain.

You know, there are disadvantages to learning 8+ programming and 3 human 
languages.
It all looks the same after a while, and you start transposing sheisse und 
gott, wissen Sie nicht nach links vom Recht, entonces tales problemas... 
ahora me voy a cama...

So I must defer to those whose mastery of elucidation, delineation and 
specificity within their chosen sect exceeds all others.

Sincerely,

The Jack Of All Trades But Master Of None,
Ian

I am so tired... :-[



"David Buck" <dav### [at] simberoncom> wrote in message 
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> [GDS|Entropy] wrote:
>> Glad to see that I am not the only povGeezer here. ;-)
>
> I'm likely the povGeezer who has been around the longest.  I just tend to 
> watch what's going on and stay quiet.  I'm too busy with lots of other 
> things to get engaged in long conversations.  Besides, I'm a bit out of 
> date with the latest features of POV-Ray and the people here do a better 
> job at responding to questions and comments.  I just like to keep track of 
> what's going on (and look at the latest images being produced).
>
> David (Kirk) Buck

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[GDS|Entropy] wrote:

> It all looks the same after a while, and you start transposing sheisse und 
> gott, wissen Sie nicht nach links vom Recht, entonces tales problemas... 
> ahora me voy a cama...
> I am so tired... :-[
> 

(Tosses in a bit of B-90 COBOL and S/36 RPG, just on principle...)

jcl...ocl...cl...clp...

...brain melting...

--Sherry Shaw


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