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Tom Melly wrote:
> "Neil Kolban" <kol### [at] kolban com> wrote in message
> news:41daca10$1@news.povray.org...
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>>The URL for the Wiki is http://povray.tirnalong.com
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> I'm very hopeful about this idea.
>
> Can we register other url's and point them to the same IP address? e.g.
> www.wikipov.org ?
>
> Also, I'd suggest some forum for discussion on the structure and interface
> of the site.
>
> In terms of structure, my only comment at the moment is that it needs
> thought. How will searches be structured? Or, to put it another way, how
> will the site be structured so to make finding a relevant resource as easy
> as possible?
>
> Regarding the interface, it would be nice to go for a cleaner, more
> recognisable look. Also, aren't there other editors that can make creating
> articles less complex? (much as I like wiki in principle, I find the basic
> wiki-style an obstacle to activity). Anyone know if the editor/article
> interface they use at wikipedia is an available plugin?
>
>
>
Tom I would like to add my own comments. First, I love it that you are
taking the lead voicing some of these things. I mean I *really* love
it. My thoughts are about what degree of concensus is needed.
I guess I am trying to picture a wiki user who is wanting to contribute
( not *me* of course, but you know, I have have this *friend* who wants
to participate ) You have begun to address one of the two big things
this person would be wanting to know: what are the organizational
parameters. They want to know where to go and how to conform. Here we
have a good chance for concensus. The other big thing they are going to
want to know is more along the lines of purpose/spirit/vision,... does
their sense of this coincide with the what it really is. Here it seems
to me that concensus may not be so possible. Nevertheless I think it
also needs to be discussed. I would encourage anyone who is excited
about the potential here to describe their vision for it.
I was struck by a year end letter to the members that was composed
recently by the organizer of the deviantART website, a site I consider
to be a raging success. What struck me was his restatement of what was
and continues to be his guiding vision. And it is: "The artists come
first, everything else comes second." I mention this because I think
that there may be many good ideas put forward, but if they act to stifle
participation, they need to come second. Supporting participation needs
to be the priority.
My own vision, what jazzes me about the possibilities here? The
possiblity of a reference repository is exciting. Equally so is the
possiblility of an open laboratory. The newsgroups already act this way
of course. But this would have better navigation and accessiblity and
so with susequently better support for exploring permutations and
extentions on ideas.
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in news:41dc10b0@news.povray.org Jim Charter wrote:
>[...] You have begun to address one of
> the two big things this person would be wanting to know: what are the
> organizational parameters. They want to know where to go and how to
> conform.
It may sound strange, but no organizational parameters and don't
conform. Ok, one parameter, try to 'crosslink' as much as possible.
> The other big
> thing they are going to want to know is more along the lines of
> purpose/spirit/vision,... does their sense of this coincide with the
> what it really is.
Let it evolve.
> Nevertheless I think it also needs to be discussed.
Maybe 'your friend' shoud create a page "ThoughtsOnPOV-RayWiki" and link
it from the frontpage or the dDiscussionGroups page.
> My own vision, what jazzes me about the possibilities here? The
> possiblity of a reference repository is exciting. Equally so is the
> possiblility of an open laboratory. The newsgroups already act this
> way of course.
I.m.o a newsgroup is often too 'fast', with too many people talking. A
wiki is nice and slow and the result of an idea or discussion can be
seen on one page. A few years ago I set one up in our development
department and it works great. Before that we tried mailing lists and e-
mail, but somhowe we never came to a 'conclusive document'. Wiki's work.
Ingo
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ingo <ing### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> It may sound strange, but no organizational parameters and don't
> conform. Ok, one parameter, try to 'crosslink' as much as possible.
To me the amount of crosslink is what will make or break the
usefulness of the site. It won't matter what the garbage-to-content
ratio is as long as people take the time to link it all together well,
with explanations of what they're linking to.
> Let it evolve.
As it surely will, but even the most brief development of an idea
or common purpose will save a lot of wasted effort.
> Maybe 'your friend' shoud create a page "ThoughtsOnPOV-RayWiki" and link
> it from the frontpage or the dDiscussionGroups page.
Here, there, wherever.
> I.m.o a newsgroup is often too 'fast', with too many people talking. A
> wiki is nice and slow and the result of an idea or discussion can be
> seen on one page. A few years ago I set one up in our development
> department and it works great. Before that we tried mailing lists and e-
> mail, but somhowe we never came to a 'conclusive document'. Wiki's work.
I don't think anyone here is looking for a 'conclusive document,' just
a bit of vision. The newsgroup is a great place for everyone to get
ideas out interactively.
Obviously after the Wiki gets rolling the newsgroups will become
redundant, but I hate to see it abandoned as a useful discussion
for initial setup and ideas.
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Tom Melly wrote:
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> I've set these up, but please feel free to add more or remove/modify my
> additions (well, it is a wiki...)
>
It looks like they are taking your advice Tom :P
http://povray.tirnalong.com/ow.asp?RecentChanges
It seems the community has things well in hand. I will act as a wiki
fairy, but will leave the major content to the brighter minds. I look
forward to seeing what this will evolve into.
Please don't hesitate to yell if there is an administrative task on the
server that needs attention.
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Tom Galvin wrote:
> Tom Melly wrote:
>
>>
>> I've set these up, but please feel free to add more or remove/modify my
>> additions (well, it is a wiki...)
>>
>
> It looks like they are taking your advice Tom :P
>
> http://povray.tirnalong.com/ow.asp?RecentChanges
>
> It seems the community has things well in hand. I will act as a wiki
> fairy, but will leave the major content to the brighter minds. I look
> forward to seeing what this will evolve into.
>
> Please don't hesitate to yell if there is an administrative task on the
> server that needs attention.
Interesting... the Album cover looks almost Gilles Tranesque...
--
~Mike
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Tom Melly wrote:
> "Neil Kolban" <kol### [at] kolbancom> wrote in message
> news:41daca10$1@news.povray.org...
>
>>The URL for the Wiki is http://povray.tirnalong.com
>>
>
>
> I'm very hopeful about this idea.
>
> Can we register other url's and point them to the same IP address? e.g.
> www.wikipov.org ?
>
Sure, but in the DNS server do it as a CNAME record for
povray.tirnalong.com instead of an A record with the IP address. That
way one DNS edit will update them all if for some reason I need to move
the server to another IP address.
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"Tom Galvin" <tom### [at] impnospamorg> wrote in message
news:41dc2dd8$1@news.povray.org...
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> It seems the community has things well in hand. I will act as a wiki
> fairy, but will leave the major content to the brighter minds. I look
> forward to seeing what this will evolve into.
I have to admit that some of my earlier reservations are disappearing fast -
I guess I just find the thought of self-organising systems a bit bizarre
(and there's me giving the creationists a hard time over in OT).
A better editor would still be nice.... pretty please?
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Tom Melly wrote:
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> A better editor would still be nice.... pretty please?
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I don't know how to answer that. It is a wiki, so folks expect it to
act like a wiki, which means you format using text patterns. Can you
give a link to an editor that exemplifies what you are seeking? Do you
mean something like the forum posting editors, where it squirts smileys
bold/italic and other codes into your web forms??
Now if you want to modify how it displays, then that's a different
kettle of fish. This wiki uses XML and CSS so those can be modified
fairly easily.
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ingo wrote:
> in news:41dc10b0@news.povray.org Jim Charter wrote:
>
>
>>[...] You have begun to address one of
>>the two big things this person would be wanting to know: what are the
>>organizational parameters. They want to know where to go and how to
>>conform.
>
>
> It may sound strange, but no organizational parameters and don't
> conform.
Dare we think it? It'll drive up insurance rates you know.
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> Obviously after the Wiki gets rolling the newsgroups will become
> redundant, but I hate to see it abandoned as a useful discussion
> for initial setup and ideas.
I don't think so. It's not feasible to post WIP in a Wiki, right? Or
discussing algorithms and approaches, even though they may be covered within
the Wiki. Fast help (like p.newusers) also won't be a part of the Wiki, like
someone said: Wikis are slow and evolve over time.
I tend to think the Wiki will end up being a rather resourceful
Documentation, Tutorial Database and Pov-Scripting Guidance all in one
"readable document", an addition to the actual "confrontation" here on the
newsgroups.
--
"Tim Nikias v2.0"
Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>
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