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> What would really bother me is if this person is posting these images
> just to cause controversy

Thats one of goals of real art, isnt it?

I find IMBJR pimages medium to quite nice, but I do not see any reason to 
create Censure, is this news group about free software program, or are we 
in some Comunistic/Totalitary art group?

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In article <407### [at] hotmailcom> , "Samuel T. Benge" 
<stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:

> It seems my favorite newsgroup on the POV-Ray news server has been
> darkened by pornography. Of course I'm talking about binaries.images.
> Webster's dictionary defines pornography as, "obscene literature or
> pictures." Can you call what has been posted anything less?

I suppose you are referring to
<http://news.povray.org/3p0e60969ebtssdmsv3h5ji0u1e3u26gsd%404ax.com>?

In that case, this in only on the news server, not the web view.  Apart from
that, there were two images posted in GIF format, but in a hidden way.
While I don't think this should have been done, fact is that by default you
see nothing that would qualify as pornography in those image with the
specified color palette.

> It is because of this I won't be posting anything there anymore.

Don't you think you are a tiny bit over-reacting just because one troll
posted one such image?

> I don't
> have to put up with people who insist what they are doing 'has to be
> accepted'. I am not blind to the world portrayed in those images, but I
> don't have to be reminded *every time* I visit the newsgroups. As a side
> note, my message filters don't work or else I'd use them.

You should just killfile the one troll many here have already killfiled
already.  Or do you really want the administrators of this news server to
declare that something is degenerate art and not allow it?

    Thorsten

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Samuel T. Benge <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> It is because of this I won't be posting anything there anymore.

  I don't understand how that is going to solve the problem.

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> Only with this ones with see satan in every erotic image, and have
> issues [problems / complexes] with images of one of nicest things in
> peoples lifes.

It's not about erotic images, it's about pornography. There is a difference
of taste between those two.

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> The only problem I see here is limiting fredom of choice of contentent to
> present, and trying to force others to own opinions and belivings (like
> that such posts are afrront to "Creator" - lol).

You should stop referring to the Christian foundation of Greg. I'm not
christian and agree with him: the newsgroups aren't a place for pornography.
Making fun of his oppinion isn't polite nor respectful.

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> the newsgroups aren't a place for pornography.

So what for *.binaries.sex.* are?

I think creating pbi.adults (or in general pb.adults) should satisfie both 
"sides". Just a suggestion.

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> Am I the only one (besides Greg, Tyler, Bob, and Patrick) who feels this
> way? Please speak up, or else nothing will be done about it. I hope to
> enjoy these newsgroups again someday.

I too don't like the current spin of images in p.b.i. It is difficult to
propose where to draw a line between erotic, obscenity and pornography
though. What might be considered erotic is perhaps obscene to the next.

IMHO, nude images aren't a problem, but once there's a real sexual explicit
content, I tend to think that the image isn't appropriate for the
newsgroups, depending on the degree of content. That aside, most of us do
have a personal website, so why not use your own gallery for such images?
Those interested may visit the gallery, the others just stay away.

At the moment, I'm pondering whether I should activate a killfile. IMBJR
does have some common sense, but to me, he's too much for confrontation, and
is difficult to discuss with. Also, the magnitude of rather simple scenes
(speaking in terms of complexity for script etc) seems to flood the
newsgroups lately, and though some are of artistic merit, I can't see many
with technical merit. Since he's not after comments at all, I don't get
really why he's posting here, cause there's not much for a POVer to learn
from.

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> I think creating pbi.adults (or in general pb.adults) should satisfie both
> "sides". Just a suggestion.

The problem, as has been discussed sometime earlier somewhere, is that the
newsgroups don't have means to certify the age of the visitor. Hence we have
to expect kids to be present, which might be 8 or even 6 years old. But I
don't think that anyone that young would find his way here unless he's a
genius or is brought by his mom/dad.

So, if we assume kids of age 12 and up, what kind of images are appropriate
for them?

Sexual explicit content just isn't.

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> The problem, as has been discussed sometime earlier somewhere, is that
> the newsgroups don't have means to certify the age of the visitor.

Hmm Yes, but separate group could be displayed (via www) in different way 
then other "normal" groups.

And as for news:// well, I think that name .adults is quite clear, and also 
- in same way news://*.sex.* exists.

> So, if we assume kids of age 12 and up, what kind of images are
> appropriate for them?
> Sexual explicit content just isn't.

Btw. I think... what would happened even if just kid see such image? 
If it is *realy* yung he will not understand it, is it is older - well, in 
99.999% cases he would already know how to type "free sex" in google.

And even if so, I think that such image will not kill children. Neither wil 
it destroy its psihics or turn it into monster ;)

But this are just my thoughts, im not a psychiatrist and maybe im totaly 
mistaking.



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>> The problem, as has been discussed sometime earlier somewhere, is
>> that the newsgroups don't have means to certify the age of the
>> visitor. 

> Hmm Yes, but separate group could be displayed (via www) in different
> way then other "normal" groups.

In addition - why not use authentication for such group? If this is not a 
technical problem fore news.povray.org news-server.

I can write and donate PHP script to register (that will work with either 
text file and/or MySQL data base, that would be connected to news-server).

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