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From: Rafal 'Raf256' Maj
Subject: Pov 3.6 expiration again...
Date: 31 Mar 2004 12:50:42
Message: <Xns94BDC9B6C783Eraf256com@203.29.75.35>
I want to use povray 3.6 but today program informed me that expiration rate 
had expired... well ok. I downloaded pov 3.6 beta 2 installed it and... 
nothing :-/

Can I chane something in registry or .ini file, or do something else to use 
3.6 beta now (instead of changing time setting in Windows)

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http://www.raf256.com/3d/
Rafal Maj 'Raf256', home page - http://www.raf256.com/me/
Computer Graphics


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: Pov 3.6 expiration again...
Date: 31 Mar 2004 13:08:07
Message: <406b0907$1@news.povray.org>
In article <Xns94BDC9B6C783Eraf256com@203.29.75.35>, "Rafal 'Raf256' Maj" 
<spa### [at] raf256com> wrote:

> I want to use povray 3.6 but today program informed me that expiration rate
> had expired... well ok. I downloaded pov 3.6 beta 2 installed it and...
> nothing :-/

Of course, why would you be so damn stupid to download what you already
have???  Sorry, but to download a beta you know that has expired - the
website tells you when the version available expires after all - is hardly
going to make you look intelligent when you post about it.  And to answer
your question about disabling expiration, there is *no* way to do it except
changing the system date.

Just like your post about this for beta 1:  If you do not want to beta test
and have the patience needed for this task, do not use a beta version!  Use
the official final POV-Ray 3.5 release!

Just my personal opinion, of course.

    Thorsten

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Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
e-mail: tho### [at] trfde

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From: Rafal 'Raf256' Maj
Subject: Re: Pov 3.6 expiration again...
Date: 31 Mar 2004 13:26:25
Message: <Xns94BDCFC2D93EBraf256com@203.29.75.35>
tho### [at] trfde news:406b0907$1@news.povray.org

> Just like your post about this for beta 1:  If you do not want to beta
> test and have the patience needed for this task, do not use a beta
> version!  Use the official final POV-Ray 3.5 release!

I stil dont understand what is point of disallowing peoples to use 3.6 if 
they realy want to, woould a warining message be better...?

It is quite stupid that I have to hack a free ware program.

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http://www.raf256.com/3d/
Rafal Maj 'Raf256', home page - http://www.raf256.com/me/
Computer Graphics


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From: Severi Salminen
Subject: Re: Pov 3.6 expiration again...
Date: 31 Mar 2004 13:39:38
Message: <406b106a$1@news.povray.org>
Rafal 'Raf256' Maj wrote:

>>Just like your post about this for beta 1:  If you do not want to beta
>>test and have the patience needed for this task, do not use a beta
>>version!  Use the official final POV-Ray 3.5 release!
> 
> 
> I stil dont understand what is point of disallowing peoples to use 3.6 if 
> they realy want to, woould a warining message be better...?
> 
> It is quite stupid that I have to hack a free ware program.

It is also quite stupid to ask the same question again...


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From: ABX
Subject: Re: Pov 3.6 expiration again...
Date: 31 Mar 2004 13:47:30
Message: <4v3m60tnig2chqdt1vpeots5bhq5rb3lir@4ax.com>
On 31 Mar 2004 13:26:25 -0500, "Rafal 'Raf256' Maj" <spa### [at] raf256com> wrote:
> I stil dont understand what is point of disallowing peoples to use 3.6

There is nothing to be disallowed because there is no 3.6 release.
There is only beta of 3.6 which is dedicated to the users who want to help.
Helping means also understanding development model and not complaining about
it because such discussions waste time which could be used for development
itself. Today is expiry date but be tolerant to time zones, real life and
other difficoulties.

> if they realy want to, woould a warining message be better...?

It is not that software is release under conditions designed by users but it
is that users use software under conditions designed by software owner.

> It is quite stupid that I have to hack a free ware program.

You have agreed during installation to the terms of usage. So you were warned
about "stupidity" of developers with years of experience with supporting not
always very intelligent users.

ABX


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From: Tim Nikias v2 0
Subject: Re: Pov 3.6 expiration again...
Date: 31 Mar 2004 13:57:09
Message: <406b1485$1@news.povray.org>
> I stil dont understand what is point of disallowing peoples to use 3.6 if
> they realy want to, woould a warining message be better...?

This has been discussed when POV-Ray went into Beta Stages with 3.5, and the
same applies to 3.6: If running versions of various Beta Releases are
floating around the web, there's always some guy that will just look past
the warnings and report bugs that have been taken care of months ago. Thus,
there's a time limit. An expired beta will hardly stay in the web for much
longer than its expiration date.

> It is quite stupid that I have to hack a free ware program.

IMHO, it is stupid to hack a beta. It's by no means finished and should
never be considered "final", why go into the hassle of hacking it?

That aside, what exactly are you using from 3.6 which isn't in 3.5, and
which you so direly need in order to complain about the expiration date
everytime it is passed?

-- 
"Tim Nikias v2.0"
Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>
Email: tim.nikias (@) nolights.de


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Pov 3.6 expiration again...
Date: 31 Mar 2004 14:03:40
Message: <406B15E9.4080402@hotmail.com>
I could be mistaken, but I think the underlying question is:
why is there no beta 3 when my beta 2 expires?


Thorsten Froehlich wrote:

> In article <Xns94BDC9B6C783Eraf256com@203.29.75.35>, "Rafal 'Raf256' Maj" 
> <spa### [at] raf256com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>I want to use povray 3.6 but today program informed me that expiration rate
>>had expired... well ok. I downloaded pov 3.6 beta 2 installed it and...
>>nothing :-/
> 
> 
> Of course, why would you be so damn stupid to download what you already
> have???  Sorry, but to download a beta you know that has expired - the
> website tells you when the version available expires after all - is hardly
> going to make you look intelligent when you post about it.  And to answer
> your question about disabling expiration, there is *no* way to do it except
> changing the system date.
> 
> Just like your post about this for beta 1:  If you do not want to beta test
> and have the patience needed for this task, do not use a beta version!  Use
> the official final POV-Ray 3.5 release!
> 
> Just my personal opinion, of course.
> 
>     Thorsten
> 
> ____________________________________________________
> Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
> e-mail: tho### [at] trfde
> 
> Visit POV-Ray on the web: http://mac.povray.org


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From: Severi Salminen
Subject: Re: Pov 3.6 expiration again...
Date: 31 Mar 2004 14:16:47
Message: <406b191f$1@news.povray.org>
andrel wrote:

> I could be mistaken, but I think the underlying question is:
> why is there no beta 3 when my beta 2 expires?

Maybe the developers didn't expect this many stupid questions when they 
set the expiration day for beta 2. They didn't have time to finish beta 
3 in time because reading these posts...


Severi "Just a wild guess" Salminen


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: Pov 3.6 expiration again...
Date: 31 Mar 2004 14:22:08
Message: <406b1a60$1@news.povray.org>
In article <406### [at] hotmailcom> , andrel 
<a_l### [at] hotmailcom>  wrote:

> I could be mistaken, but I think the underlying question is:
> why is there no beta 3 when my beta 2 expires?

Real-life?

    Thorsten

____________________________________________________
Thorsten Froehlich, Duisburg, Germany
e-mail: tho### [at] trfde

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From: ABX
Subject: Re: Pov 3.6 expiration again...
Date: 31 Mar 2004 14:25:46
Message: <6e6m60p5pjhb6273il1sf6tqch40lhjork@4ax.com>
On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:16:47 +0300, Severi Salminen
<sev### [at] NOT_THISsibafi> wrote:
> Maybe the developers didn't expect this many stupid questions when they 
> set the expiration day for beta 2. They didn't have time to finish beta 
> 3 in time because reading these posts...

Let me enumerate:

some developer was ill
some developer was absent and is back today
some developer was on CeBIT
some developer was limited due to library change
some developer was in fight with limitations of free compilers
some developer was ...
some developer ...
some ...

it sometimes happens, real life :-(

ABX


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