Christoph Hormann wrote:
>
>they make most money from selling advertisement space and they
> need to maintain good relations to those companies that pay
> for these.  I did not actually see what they wrote but of
> course it is really quite questionable to feature such an
> image in a magazine that is about 3D software among other
> things and simply 'forget' to mention the software used to
> generate the image.
>


If they need to remain good relations with advertisers-- non freeware
software companies-- then it would be prudent to keep quiet about freeware.
 (Albeit I myself discovered povray through a user's gallery in
ComputerArts magazine.)  It was in fact how these mags seemed to be one big
bloody ad for expensive gadgets that I stopped reading them.

Gilles, so that I'll be prepared to negotiate when they come beating down my
door, was any compensation involved?  And if so, was it like one round of
brews for my pals, or like the whole meal tab for the povray francophile
group?



Greg M. Johnson

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Christoph Hormann wrote:

> Gilles Tran wrote:
> 
>>
>> Here's a link to the magazine with a close up of the image.
>> http://www.3dworldmag.com/
>> It's my "Cool cows" image flipped horizontally. I had to re-render the 
>> texts
>> (labels) to do this without re-rendering the whole image.
>>
>
> 
> "Issue 47 also contains the first part of our new series of beginners' 
> tutorials. Over the next six months, we'll be showing you how to model, 
> texture, light and animate a complete 3D scene, with all the necessary 
> software and project files provided on the cover CD."
> 
> i already thought that it would be completely unrealistic of me to 
> assume this refers to a POV-Ray tutorial...

You would, its a future mag, you know the ones that are banned
from distributing POV-Ray according to povlegal.doc :-)

Mind you the trouble with that is they've the UK
computer arts magazines market pretty much in their pocket :(

Dave

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> If they need to remain good relations with advertisers-- non freeware
> software companies-- then it would be prudent to keep quiet about
freeware.

Commercial software companies are unlikely to fear the competition of free
3D software at this stage (POV-Ray, Blender and a gazillions renderers and
modellers). Why would they care : there's no open source Maya clone right
now. The problem magazines can have with 3D freeware is more simply that
they have no good reason to dedicate valuable commercial space to them.

> Gilles, so that I'll be prepared to negotiate when they come beating down
my
> door, was any compensation involved?

I only ask for a free copy and a credit + link (which I get). Ten of
thousands of starving graphic artists would kill mom and dad for this kind
of publicity. It would take a couple of emails to replace me. I remember a
movie magazine complaining that a A-list movie star had *** dared *** to ask
for compensation, so it's not like a nobody like me is going to get
something else that free advertising (and being a hobbyist, it's not like I
care about it anyway).
Of course, I could be all wrong, but the feeling I have with any
talent-based industry is that talents are rarely in a good negotiating
position...

G.

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"Andy Cocker" <mai### [at] andrewcockercouk> wrote in message
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<snip>

I've got hold of my copy. I've put some scanned pages up at
http://www.tomandlu.co.uk/3dw47/.

Gilles's image appears several more times (I've only scanned the main
entries), and there are also two Pov-images in the magazine gallery with
short biogs from Andy and someone called Steven Wood. Those pages are also
scanned.

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Now that is cool!  They pay proper tribute to Gilles and POV. Thanks for the
scanning.

Regards,
Hugo

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> I've got hold of my copy. I've put some scanned pages up at
> http://www.tomandlu.co.uk/3dw47/.

Thanks Tom. Funny thing is that the cover project they showed me had "Maya"
written in bold letters across the cover but it's gone now (in fact it was
probably only an old cover with the cows pasted on).
Still, that's an unusually big number of POV-Ray references in a 3D mag. It
looks like Future Publishing is trying to atone for past sins ;)

G.


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"Gilles Tran" <tra### [at] inapginrafr> wrote in message
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> Still, that's an unusually big number of POV-Ray references in a 3D mag. It
> looks like Future Publishing is trying to atone for past sins ;)
>

They atone in vain - the sin was mortal... (actually, IMHO it would be nice if
some kind of dialogue was restarted between POV and Future Publishing - they've
got pretty much100% of the IT magazine biz in the UK)

As I said, your image crops up several more times - one large fairly clean (no
text) version iirc, plus it's on the strap-line* for each page (several) of the
"Future Shocks" article.

* I think that's what it's called - the banner-thing that you get at the top of
a page.

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Kick me for saying it, but the article's use of
<i> Pov-Ray</i>

strikes me as more impressive than
<i> POV-Ray</i>
.

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"Greg M. Johnson" <gregj;-)565### [at] aolcom> wrote in news:3feba978$1
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> Kick me for saying it, but the article's use of
> <i> Pov-Ray</i>
> 
> strikes me as more impressive than
> <i> POV-Ray</i>
> .
> 

Isn't the second version, the correct capitalization?



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In article <Xns### [at] 204213191226>,
 Tom Galvin <tom### [at] imporg> wrote:

> > Kick me for saying it, but the article's use of
> > <i> Pov-Ray</i>
> > 
> > strikes me as more impressive than
> > <i> POV-Ray</i>
> 
> Isn't the second version, the correct capitalization?

Yes, it is. POV is an acronym for Persistence Of Vision, Ray is an 
abbreviation of Raytracer. The capitalization "Pov" doesn't make sense.

<kicks Greg>

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