"Anthony D. Baye" <ban### [at] Rapidnetcom> wrote in message
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>
> <a href="http://www.rapidnet.com/~banty/Shadowplay/">The Shadow
Hall</a>

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The web page you are viewing is trying to close the window
Do you want to close this window?
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New window underneath is too narrow and has horizontal and vert scroll
bars.

I'm using IE 5.5 and Win98SE.

HTH

Alf

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The page just kills my brower (IE6) which is not very polite. I guess it is
supposed to pop up a new window but I have disabled that (and I think many
others have too).
Suggestion:
Do not close the browser, instead show a link to the page that is supposed
to pop up so that users like me can klick on it to get to your site.

Web pages that alter my browser window is IMHO really bad. If I have
positioned and sized my browser the way I like I want it that way and not
any other way. It is the page author not the visitor that should adapt to
the other. Some pages may need custom windows because the layout is really
complex, but then you should do as I suggested above and be prepared that
you loose some visitors because they dislike it.

/ Daniel Nilsson

"Anthony D. Baye" <ban### [at] Rapidnetcom> wrote in message
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> I have a new website under construction, and I wanted to get a test
> audience to view it.  Looks great under NS 6+ and alright under IE 4+.
> Netscape recommended for mac users as IE doesn't go full screen on the
> mac for some reason.  MSN users should be aware that the self.close
> function appearantly does not work under that browser, so just close the
> smaller window after the new one opens.  Still a lot of work to be done,
> but comments welcome.
>
> <a href="http://www.rapidnet.com/~banty/Shadowplay/">The Shadow Hall</a>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Anthony D. Baye
>

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Trying to close a window automatically is extremely impolite, and most
browsers disallow this or ask confirmation (but not Mozilla, which is
a big minus for it).
  Popping windows at page load is annoying and also quite impolite (if the
user wants to open a link in a new window, he can do it for himself). Most
browsers have an option to disallow this (and when they do it, your page
functionality breaks badly).
  Trying to resize a browser window is annoying and impolite. Some browsers
have options to disallow this and thus you shouldn't rely on it working.

  And in general, relying on javascript for your site to work is a bad
idea. It should work even if javascripts are completely disabled (it could
work with less functionality, but it should still work and be browsable).

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Sorry about the problems, I only set it up to maximize the window because I
absolutely despise horizontal scrollbars.  I forgot that most people check
the newsgroup from the website rather than from NS messanger or whatever
like I do.  I wasn't trying to be rude. I'll eliminate the auto reload and
post a link.  Does anybody mind if the link pops a new window, as long as
it doesn't close the origonal?


A.D.B.

"Anthony D. Baye" wrote:

> I have a new website under construction, and I wanted to get a test
> audience to view it.  Looks great under NS 6+ and alright under IE 4+.
> Netscape recommended for mac users as IE doesn't go full screen on the
> mac for some reason.  MSN users should be aware that the self.close
> function appearantly does not work under that browser, so just close the
> smaller window after the new one opens.  Still a lot of work to be done,
> but comments welcome.
>
> <a href="http://www.rapidnet.com/~banty/Shadowplay/">The Shadow Hall</a>
>
> Regards,
>
> Anthony D. Baye

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Anthony D. Baye <ban### [at] Rapidnetcom> wrote:

> I have a new website under construction, and I wanted to get a test
> audience to view it.  Looks great under NS 6+ and alright under IE 4+.

Sorry, but your page is a good example how to NOT design a website.
-unusable without javascript
-made for a fixed resolution
-opens a chromeless javascript-popup
-your text/heading/etc colors are too saturated 
 (in contrast to your navigation images)
-the layout/styling is broken 
 (unnecessary scrollbars, overlapping text...)
-the markup is invalid and deprecated (<font>...)
 <http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.rapidnet.com/~banty/Shadowplay/tml/home/index2.html&doctype=HTML+4.01+Transitional&charset=iso-8859-1>

I assume most of this is probably to blame on:
 <META NAME=GENERATOR CONTENT="Claris Home Page 2.0">

My advise: throw away all the JavaScript stuff and 'Claris Home Page'
and clean up the rest using a text-editor.

Lutz-Peter

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Anthony D. Baye <ban### [at] rapidnetcom> wrote:
> Does anybody mind if the link pops a new window, as long as
> it doesn't close the origonal?

  Is there a good reason for this?

  Usually it's a good idea to leave the choice to the user. Opening a link
in a new window is always a hidden side-effect, which at least I hate a lot.
If I want to open a link in a new window, I know how to do it by myself.

  There are a few exceptions where opening a link in a new window is ok,
but they are rare, and even in those cases it should be clear that "if
you click here, it will open a new window, so be warned".
  (Btw, you should not try to open the new window with javascript, as many
people have that disabled and will simply skip your site if links are not
working.)

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Wasn't it Anthony D. Baye who wrote:
>I have a new website under construction, and I wanted to get a test
>audience to view it.  Looks great under NS 6+ and alright under IE 4+.
>Netscape recommended for mac users as IE doesn't go full screen on the
>mac for some reason.  MSN users should be aware that the self.close
>function appearantly does not work under that browser, so just close the
>smaller window after the new one opens.  Still a lot of work to be done,
>but comments welcome.
>
><a href="http://www.rapidnet.com/~banty/Shadowplay/">The Shadow Hall</a>


"The Shadow Tower" page looks awful under Opera. The text and table
overlap each other. Control-D isn't "add to bookmarks" in Opera.

When "The Shadow Hall" pops up, it's a small window (with my particular
Opera settings), and has two sets of scroll bars.

You seem to be trying to do everything the hard way, and that's almost
certainly going to cause problems with browsers that you haven't tested
it on. I always recommend keeping a web page as simple as possible and
only adding browser-dependent complexity when you really need to do
something that can't be done more simply.

-- 
Mike Williams
Gentleman of Leisure

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How about starting simple, with plain typed HTML on white background, then
gradually adding features which are truly value-add, all the while trying
for W3CS validation along the way.  Also please read "Web Pages that Suck"
for great advice on some common mistakes.

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Greg M. Johnson <gregj:-)565### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> Also please read "Web Pages that Suck" 
> for great advice on some common mistakes.

  What a strange site that http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/

  From what I understand, it should teach how to make good sites by
showing examples of bad site designs, or something like that.
  The front page is overcluttered with links to things that look like
secondary, not what I'm looking for (ie. the actual content). I can't
find anything interesting even after browsing for several minutes. The
links go to pages which go to pages which go to pages which all seem
either introductory in nature or contain hundreds of lines of small text
(not really something that invites you to read it, imho).
  Is this a good design?

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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote in message
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>   Is this a good design?
>

Uh, read the book!

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