St. wrote:
> "Rune" wrote:
>> When the include files will be free for non-commercial
>> and commercial use, I will instead appeal to users to
>> make voluntary donations.
>
> Just make it 'fun' Rune. It'll work out for the better,
> you'll see.

Sorry, I didn't get that. What do you mean?

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"Rune" <run### [at] mobilixnetdk> wrote in message
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> St. wrote:
> > "Rune" wrote:
> >> When the include files will be free for non-commercial
> >> and commercial use, I will instead appeal to users to
> >> make voluntary donations.
> >
> > Just make it 'fun' Rune. It'll work out for the better,
> > you'll see.
>
> Sorry, I didn't get that. What do you mean?

    Be the nice guy you are, the cheery, helpful person you can be.

   *Make* it fun, they'll come back to you after (maybe) depositing a little lolly
your way and ask you what you're working on next. Things will build from this. You
*love* people to mail you, right?  ;)

     ~Steve~


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> Rune
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"Rune" <run### [at] mobilixnetdk> wrote in message
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>
> When the include files will be free for non-commercial and
> commercial use, I will instead appeal to users to make voluntary
> donations.
>

IMHO, nothing's changed. Of the posts above, it was Slime's thoughts that I
agreed with the most.

If I ever release a user-friendly blob-man, I would hope to get:
i)    fame,  of the
oh-aren't-we-so-grateful-to-Chris-Colefax-and-Greg-Johnson  type
ii)   more hits to my web pages to influence folks towards my religious,
moral, and political views
iii)  a tap on the shoulder from say a local car dealer to make a commercial
or maybe even Nick Parks himself to do some collaborative work.
iv)  an Oscar for best short, either by me, or by a user where it's obvious
that it's my creature...

When I first started posting my particle & boids animations, someone
contacted me about releasing my code for his quasi-professional use--
something with CG animation in front of an orchestra.  After trying to
formulate conditions for release that would cheeze as much FAME out of it as
possible, I decided instead to release it with no mention of any conditions
on one of my web pages.

And whaddayaknow,  soon CRAIG REYNOLDS, the father of Boids himself, had a
link on his web page to MY SITE!!!

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St. wrote:
> Be the nice guy you are, the cheery, helpful
> person you can be.
>
> *Make* it fun, they'll come back to you after
> (maybe) depositing a little lolly your way and
> ask you what you're working on next. Things
> will build from this. You *love* people to mail
> you, right?  ;)

Sure, of course. :) But I was not sure if your comment was a reply to
any of the specific things I wrote, like the donations part. If so, I
didn't get the message.

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in news:3db6e281$1@news.povray.org Rune wrote:

> I would also
> be interested in knowing if there are other alternative licenses that
> might be of interest to me.
> 

Hers's somthing to read :)
http://www.opensource.org/licenses/osl.php

I prefer the BSD one, it's simple and short. 

Ingo

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Greg M. Johnson wrote:
> IMHO, nothing's changed.

I'm not sure what you mean. Should I take it as a negative remark
implying that this new license will be nothing different from the terms
of use I've used so far? I may have misunderstood you.

> Of the posts above, it was Slime's thoughts
> that I agreed with the most.

Which was mostly about keeping the spirit of POV-Ray as far as I could
tell. If freeware (sometimes with voluntary donations - think IRTC
CD-ROMs and keyrings) is not the spirit of POV-Ray, then I don't know
what is.

Rune
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"Rune" <run### [at] mobilixnetdk> wrote in message
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> St. wrote:

> > *Make* it fun, they'll come back to you after
> > (maybe) depositing a little lolly your way and
> > ask you what you're working on next. Things
> > will build from this. You *love* people to mail
> > you, right?  ;)
>
> Sure, of course. :) But I was not sure if your comment was a reply to
> any of the specific things I wrote, like the donations part. If so, I
> didn't get the message.

     Rune, it was a general comment. I didn't state whether it was a comment on
your pricing policy or not, I wouldn't, I couldn't, but for a wild guess now, I
would say that you should ask for a donation of something like $7-$10(?) with a
donation (on your part), going to a reputable charity - that way, everyone wins.
This seems to work ok generally.

      What do you reckon?

      ~Steve~


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> Rune
> --
> 3D images and anims, include files, tutorials and more:
> rune|vision:  http://runevision.com (updated Oct 19)
> POV-Ray Ring: http://webring.povray.co.uk
>
>

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"Rune" <run### [at] mobilixnetdk> wrote in news:3db6e281$1
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> I've considered using one of the known public licenses. I don't really
> know anything about those. I've been recommended the GPL, and I've found
> and read version 2 of that one. Is that the newest version? I would also
> be interested in knowing if there are other alternative licenses that
> might be of interest to me.
> 

Here is a pretty comprehensive list:
http://www.opensource.org/licenses/


> When the include files will be free for non-commercial and commercial
> use, I will instead appeal to users to make voluntary donations. I would
> like your opinions of what is the best way to make that possible
> (easiest and most cost-effective). I've been recommended PayPal and an
> Amazon wish list, and I would like to hear if you have any positive or
> negative experiences with those, and about possible alternative ways you
> could recommend.
> 

I am fine with either, and someone mentioned charity donations.  That's 
fine too.  The main thing is to pick what you feel most comfortable with.

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"Rune" <run### [at] mobilixnetdk> wrote in message
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> Greg M. Johnson wrote:
>> IMHO, nothing's changed.
> I'm not sure what you mean.

I think that making it shareware has the same effect on the spirit of this
community.  Others have a better way of putting it in nicer terms.

> Which was mostly about keeping the spirit of POV-Ray as far as I could
> tell. If freeware (sometimes with voluntary donations - think IRTC
> CD-ROMs and keyrings)

NO.
Who on the POV-Team has asked for renumeration for his services? That dough
goes to the server, AFAIK.  There is a world of difference.

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St. <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote in message news:3db6f8f9@news.povray.org...
>
> but for a wild guess now, I
> would say that you should ask for a donation of something like $7-$10(?)
with a
> donation (on your part), going to a reputable charity - that way, everyone
wins.
> This seems to work ok generally.
>

I will avoid sending money anywhere if it results in a donation being given
to a non disease related charity. I know several people who feel the same,
so you may way to take that into consideration when choosing your charity. I
and others are also wary of AIDS charities, as these charities often use the
money to advance political goals with which the donor may or may not agree.

 -Shay

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