> On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:50:17 +0200, Felix Wiemann <Fel### [at] gmxnet>
> wrote:
> > Włodzimierz ABX Skiba wrote: [...]
> > Is it my newsreader's fault that the second letter isn't displayed
> > correctly?
>
> This is displayed the same as it is holded in user account probably.
>
> > ABX, what about using a normal "l" (even if it's pronounced
differently)?
> > Or just "ABX"? That would avoid many problems.
>
> That's probably only solution :-(
>
> ABX

Or write it: W~lodzimierz or W/lodzimierz, asking the readers to mentally
make the symbol "dead letter" (the typewriter roll doesn't move, so the next
letter is surimposed to the symbol).


aren't displayed but when I type a vowel after them, it makes accented
letters.

You can also use the Unix convention (in man docs): Wl^H/odzimierz (ie. l
backspace /), but it is even uglier :-(

Regards.

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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:

> Felix Wiemann wrote:
> 
>> The signature separator (right word?) "-- " isn't displayed.
> 
> It never was.  And it isn't specified as a signature separator anywhere
> either...

IIRC it's specified in an RFC, but I can't find it right now.
It /is/ a signature separator, as you can easily see by using Google.

>> The signature is quoted.
> 
> The whole body of a message is quoted.

This is not the best behavior.

> A signature is part of the body and this it is quoted. How could the
> server guess what a signature is reliably?

By looking for "-- " as almost every newsreader does.

>> The server converts a &#xxx; to a single character in plain-text
>> messages.
> 
> HTML is not supported in posts.  Only plain text message texts are.

So what? It shouldn't convert &#xxx; but it currently does.

-- 
light_source{0#macro L(K,H,W)sphere{H.5}sphere{K.5}sphere{W.5}cylinder{
H,K.5}cylinder{H,W.5}#end 3}union{L(0v*-2<2,-2>)L(y*-3z-v*5z*3-y)L(-y*3
0u*3)L(y*-3v*-5-z,z*-3-y)rotate-v*clock pigment{rgb.5}translate<0,2,9>}
// +KFF200 +KF720 +W120 +H90 -F -A -GA -P

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In article <3d4547ba@news.povray.org> , Felix Wiemann 
<Fel### [at] gmxnet>  wrote:

> IIRC it's specified in an RFC, but I can't find it right now.
> It /is/ a signature separator, as you can easily see by using Google.

Nope, it is a header for some attachment formats...

>>> The signature is quoted.
>>
>> The whole body of a message is quoted.
>
> This is not the best behavior.
>
>> A signature is part of the body and this it is quoted. How could the
>> server guess what a signature is reliably?
>
> By looking for "-- " as almost every newsreader does.

Mine doesn't (not surprising though for the company making it).  The "--" is
not in the messages in the web view, and as it isn't used as universal
separator for signatures, even if it was, it wouldn't work either :-(

> So what? It shouldn't convert &#xxx; but it currently does.

No, it does not.  Only when previewing it looks that way because browser
interpret it (of course).  I will see if there is a better way to handle
this in the preview.

    Thorsten

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On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:18:03 +0200, Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
>> IIRC it's specified in an RFC, but I can't find it right now.
>> It /is/ a signature separator, as you can easily see by using Google.
> 
> Nope, it is a header for some attachment formats...

"\n-- \n" was specified as the signature separator in a draft RFC that was
supposed to have replaced RFC 1036, but that never happened.  Nevertheless,
it is considered by most newsreaders to be a standard.  Only the big 
commercial newsreaders like Agent and Outbreak Express (on Windows;
apparently also some on the Mac platform) seem to ignore it.

>>> A signature is part of the body and this it is quoted. How could the
>>> server guess what a signature is reliably?
>>
>> By looking for "-- " as almost every newsreader does.
> 
> Mine doesn't (not surprising though for the company making it).  The "--" is
> not in the messages in the web view, and as it isn't used as universal
> separator for signatures, even if it was, it wouldn't work either :-(

It works often enough.  My newsreader usually doesn't quote signatures; if
it does I know that it's because the sender's newsreader is using a broken
separator.  Your signature, of course, gets quoted. :)

-- 
#macro R(P)z+_(P)_(P)_(P+1)_(P+1)+z#end#macro Q(C,T)bicubic_patch{type 1u_steps
6v_steps 6R(1)R(3)R(5)R(7)pigment{rgb z}}#end#macro _(Y)#local X=asc(substr(C,Y
,1))-65;<T+mod(X,4)div(X,4)9>-2#end#macro O(T)Q("ABEFUQWS",T)Q("WSXTLOJN",T)#
end O(0)O(3)Q("JNKLCGCD",0)light_source{x 1}// ron### [at] povrayorg

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In article <slr### [at] fwicom> , Ron Parker 
<ron### [at] povrayorg>  wrote:

> "\n-- \n" was specified as the signature separator in a draft RFC that was
> supposed to have replaced RFC 1036, but that never happened.  Nevertheless,
> it is considered by most newsreaders to be a standard.  Only the big
> commercial newsreaders like Agent and Outbreak Express (on Windows;
> apparently also some on the Mac platform) seem to ignore it.

Well, it is non-standard and as you know, M$ always follows standards ;-)

> It works often enough.  My newsreader usually doesn't quote signatures; if
> it does I know that it's because the sender's newsreader is using a broken
> separator.  Your signature, of course, gets quoted. :)

Actually, the signature is completely user-defined.  Outlook Express on Mac
does not auto-add separators of any kind.  And as you said, it doesn't
support them either.

However, more important is that if such a detection fails in a program it is
relatively easy to get the rest of the message one way or the other, but
when it breaks in the web view, it would be a really clumsy back button game
combined with section of HTML content and pasting that without breaking
layout, and, and, and...

Another problem is that the decoder program (munpack) used already had to be
tweaked a real lot to cope with so many broken or non-standard message
formats that any further change may break it completely.  I am glad it works
at all for 99.99% of messages without errors that make them unreadable.  So
currently it ignores lines starting with two minus signs :-(  BTW, it also
ignored Chris Cason's default name signature........


    Thorsten


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What? You mean it isn't supposed to be a superscript 3? And instead is
really a accented "l"?!
Wonder if others see the following as I see it:

I just thought ABX was using a interesting name-- W to the third power-- all
this time.

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On 29 Jul 2002 15:38:50 -0400, Ron Parker <ron### [at] povrayorg> wrote:
> Only the big 
> commercial newsreaders like Agent and Outbreak Express

I use Forte Agent and it not quote proper signatures.

ABX

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hughes b wrote:

> What? You mean it isn't supposed to be a superscript 3? And instead is
> really a accented "l"?!
> Wonder if others see the following as I see it:


See <mmoqiug368v6g3pfink48edu5grdiua8hp@4ax.com>.
ABX even explained the pronunciation, but the article is not available on 
the server anymore. (Maybe he has canceled it?)

-- 
light_source{0#macro L(K,H,W)sphere{H.5}sphere{K.5}sphere{W.5}cylinder{
H,K.5}cylinder{H,W.5}#end 3}union{L(0v*-2<2,-2>)L(y*-3z-v*5z*3-y)L(-y*3
0u*3)L(y*-3v*-5-z,z*-3-y)rotate-v*clock pigment{rgb.5}translate<0,2,9>}
// +KFF200 +KF720 +W120 +H90 -F -A -GA -P

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On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:25:04 +0200, Felix Wiemann <Fel### [at] gmxnet>
wrote:
> See <mmoqiug368v6g3pfink48edu5grdiua8hp@4ax.com>.
> ABX even explained the pronunciation, but the article is not available on 
> the server anymore. (Maybe he has canceled it?)

I didn't. But I crossposted it to off-topic so perhaps therefore it was
automatically canceled.

ABX

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Didn't get there so I guess it is gone, yeah. No big deal, I might have
scanned over it since I try to read most messages like a speedreader would
do. I just don't have great speedreading skill. I see a message post per
second or two sometimes, I dislike the replies below long quoting some
people use for that reason. I'm only half serious of course, I will scroll
too. :-)

Bob

On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:25:04 +0200, Felix Wiemann <Fel### [at] gmxnet>
wrote:
> See <mmoqiug368v6g3pfink48edu5grdiua8hp@4ax.com>.
> ABX even explained the pronunciation, but the article is not available on
> the server anymore. (Maybe he has canceled it?)

I didn't. But I crossposted it to off-topic so perhaps therefore it was
automatically canceled.

ABX

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