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i personally like to have a few hard copy reference/tutorial
books on a lot of the apps i run. but i can identify with your
opinion. to put a lot of high-quality color pictures in a book
jacks the price way, way up.
miker
"Tom Melly" said:
> While, of course, I would buy such a book, I can't help feeling that a
well
> organised POV-tutorial website might be a better option....
>
>
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"MR" <a### [at] b net> wrote in message news:3c433241$1@news.povray.org...
> i personally like to have a few hard copy reference/tutorial
> books on a lot of the apps i run.
Me too, but I hate waiting for and then buying an update everytime there
is a feature change.
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"Bill DeWitt" <bde### [at] cflrrcom> wrote in message
news:3c433773$1@news.povray.org...
>
> "MR" <a### [at] bnet> wrote in message news:3c433241$1@news.povray.org...
> > i personally like to have a few hard copy reference/tutorial
> > books on a lot of the apps i run.
>
> Me too, but I hate waiting for and then buying an update everytime there
> is a feature change.
>
My thoughts exactly Bill and MR...
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"Tom Melly" <tom### [at] tomandlucouk> wrote ;
>
> My thoughts exactly Bill and MR...
I have 9 oem Autocad manuals and over 30 additional 2nd party Autocad
references. The amount I have spent on books could probably purchase a new
copy of the latest edition.
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Mitchell
I have all the books you published on POV Ray (including the one on Moray)
and WinFract and Image Lab.
You are the BEST!
I am glad to see you are thinking about getting back into it.
Maan
"Mitchell Waite" <mit### [at] dnaicom> wrote in message
news:3c3cfc1c@news.povray.org...
> Harold:
>
> That is exactly why those books disappeared. Macmillan aka Simon and
> Schuster who I sold to wanted to focus on big thick books on Java and C++
> and so on. I was not happy about that, it was one of those hidden agendas.
> That is why I want to get back in, to bring those great books like Image
Lab
> back. I have received a good deal of email from prospective contributors
and
> I plan to write to all of them shortly with more information
>
> Mitch
>
>
> "Harold Baize" <bai### [at] itsaucsfedu> wrote in message
> news:3c3c8802@news.povray.org...
> >
> > My introduction to 3D computer graphics was your
> > Image Lab book. It is interesting to me that you sold
> > Waite Group in 1996, maybe that is why all those
> > good computer graphics books disappeared ;-)
> >
> > Harold
> >
> >
> > "Mitchell Waite" <mit### [at] dnaicom> wrote in message
> > news:3c3a9a4b$1@news.povray.org...
> > > Hi All:
> > >
> > > My name is Mitchell Waite and I am the former publisher of RAY TRACING
> > > CREATIONS, the first (and only) POV Ray specific book.
> > >
> > > With all the fantastic new improvements in POV Ray I am thinking about
> > > publishing a new title on POV Ray and I was wondering what the
interest
> > > level is.
> > >
> > > Also I am looking for potential writers and contributors. Please feel
> free
> > > to email me privately as well as let the group know how you feel about
> > this
> > > idea.
> > >
> > > You can see the books I published at www.mitchwaite.com Click on the
> Books
> > > menu item.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > >
> > > Mitchell Waite
> > > mit### [at] mitchwaitecom
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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The best books are those that invite you to think and experiment. Not mere
manuals. These were the Mitchell Waite books.
This means that these are books that you do not throw whenever there is an
update.
I still have the Waite group books on POV Ray.
Maan
"Bill DeWitt" <bde### [at] cflrrcom> wrote in message
news:3c443ffa$1@news.povray.org...
>
> "Tom Melly" <tom### [at] tomandlucouk> wrote ;
> >
> > My thoughts exactly Bill and MR...
>
> I have 9 oem Autocad manuals and over 30 additional 2nd party Autocad
> references. The amount I have spent on books could probably purchase a new
> copy of the latest edition.
>
>
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Well thank you for the kind words Maan. You pretty much sum up my ideas this
time around for a POV Ray book. The POV Ray manual already provides a great
reference, its examples that are in short supply IMHO. I am also thinking
about using Moray as the tool for modeling since it allows one to focus on
the scene rather than the statements. Do you have an opinion on that idea?
Mitch
"Maan M. Hamze" <mmh### [at] pleiadesnet> wrote in message
news:3c473e34$1@news.povray.org...
> Mitchell
> I have all the books you published on POV Ray (including the one on Moray)
> and WinFract and Image Lab.
> You are the BEST!
> I am glad to see you are thinking about getting back into it.
> Maan
>
> "Mitchell Waite" <mit### [at] dnaicom> wrote in message
> news:3c3cfc1c@news.povray.org...
> > Harold:
> >
> > That is exactly why those books disappeared. Macmillan aka Simon and
> > Schuster who I sold to wanted to focus on big thick books on Java and
C++
> > and so on. I was not happy about that, it was one of those hidden
agendas.
> > That is why I want to get back in, to bring those great books like Image
> Lab
> > back. I have received a good deal of email from prospective contributors
> and
> > I plan to write to all of them shortly with more information
> >
> > Mitch
> >
> >
> > "Harold Baize" <bai### [at] itsaucsfedu> wrote in message
> > news:3c3c8802@news.povray.org...
> > >
> > > My introduction to 3D computer graphics was your
> > > Image Lab book. It is interesting to me that you sold
> > > Waite Group in 1996, maybe that is why all those
> > > good computer graphics books disappeared ;-)
> > >
> > > Harold
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mitchell Waite" <mit### [at] dnaicom> wrote in message
> > > news:3c3a9a4b$1@news.povray.org...
> > > > Hi All:
> > > >
> > > > My name is Mitchell Waite and I am the former publisher of RAY
TRACING
> > > > CREATIONS, the first (and only) POV Ray specific book.
> > > >
> > > > With all the fantastic new improvements in POV Ray I am thinking
about
> > > > publishing a new title on POV Ray and I was wondering what the
> interest
> > > > level is.
> > > >
> > > > Also I am looking for potential writers and contributors. Please
feel
> > free
> > > > to email me privately as well as let the group know how you feel
about
> > > this
> > > > idea.
> > > >
> > > > You can see the books I published at www.mitchwaite.com Click on the
> > Books
> > > > menu item.
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Mitchell Waite
> > > > mit### [at] mitchwaitecom
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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Mitchell Waite wrote:
>
> Well thank you for the kind words Maan. You pretty much sum up my ideas this
> time around for a POV Ray book. The POV Ray manual already provides a great
> reference, its examples that are in short supply IMHO. I am also thinking
> about using Moray as the tool for modeling since it allows one to focus on
> the scene rather than the statements. Do you have an opinion on that idea?
I do. Don't overlook animation techniques. I think getting into
some of the scripting is good for a discussion of principles
involved. Or would that be another book?
-peter
>
> Mitch
>
> "Maan M. Hamze" <mmh### [at] pleiadesnet> wrote in message
> news:3c473e34$1@news.povray.org...
> > Mitchell
> > I have all the books you published on POV Ray (including the one on Moray)
> > and WinFract and Image Lab.
> > You are the BEST!
> > I am glad to see you are thinking about getting back into it.
> > Maan
> >
> > "Mitchell Waite" <mit### [at] dnaicom> wrote in message
> > news:3c3cfc1c@news.povray.org...
> > > Harold:
> > >
> > > That is exactly why those books disappeared. Macmillan aka Simon and
> > > Schuster who I sold to wanted to focus on big thick books on Java and
> C++
> > > and so on. I was not happy about that, it was one of those hidden
> agendas.
> > > That is why I want to get back in, to bring those great books like Image
> > Lab
> > > back. I have received a good deal of email from prospective contributors
> > and
> > > I plan to write to all of them shortly with more information
> > >
> > > Mitch
> > >
> > >
> > > "Harold Baize" <bai### [at] itsaucsfedu> wrote in message
> > > news:3c3c8802@news.povray.org...
> > > >
> > > > My introduction to 3D computer graphics was your
> > > > Image Lab book. It is interesting to me that you sold
> > > > Waite Group in 1996, maybe that is why all those
> > > > good computer graphics books disappeared ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Harold
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mitchell Waite" <mit### [at] dnaicom> wrote in message
> > > > news:3c3a9a4b$1@news.povray.org...
> > > > > Hi All:
> > > > >
> > > > > My name is Mitchell Waite and I am the former publisher of RAY
> TRACING
> > > > > CREATIONS, the first (and only) POV Ray specific book.
> > > > >
> > > > > With all the fantastic new improvements in POV Ray I am thinking
> about
> > > > > publishing a new title on POV Ray and I was wondering what the
> > interest
> > > > > level is.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also I am looking for potential writers and contributors. Please
> feel
> > > free
> > > > > to email me privately as well as let the group know how you feel
> about
> > > > this
> > > > > idea.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can see the books I published at www.mitchwaite.com Click on the
> > > Books
> > > > > menu item.
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mitchell Waite
> > > > > mit### [at] mitchwaitecom
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
--
Current obsession: "Ballet pour ma fille."
http://www.applesnake.net
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Yes animation is high on the list.
"Dearmad" <dea### [at] applesnakenet> wrote in message
news:3C478055.4978611C@applesnake.net...
>
> Mitchell Waite wrote:
> >
> > Well thank you for the kind words Maan. You pretty much sum up my ideas
this
> > time around for a POV Ray book. The POV Ray manual already provides a
great
> > reference, its examples that are in short supply IMHO. I am also
thinking
> > about using Moray as the tool for modeling since it allows one to focus
on
> > the scene rather than the statements. Do you have an opinion on that
idea?
>
> I do. Don't overlook animation techniques. I think getting into
> some of the scripting is good for a discussion of principles
> involved. Or would that be another book?
>
> -peter
> >
> > Mitch
> >
> > "Maan M. Hamze" <mmh### [at] pleiadesnet> wrote in message
> > news:3c473e34$1@news.povray.org...
> > > Mitchell
> > > I have all the books you published on POV Ray (including the one on
Moray)
> > > and WinFract and Image Lab.
> > > You are the BEST!
> > > I am glad to see you are thinking about getting back into it.
> > > Maan
> > >
> > > "Mitchell Waite" <mit### [at] dnaicom> wrote in message
> > > news:3c3cfc1c@news.povray.org...
> > > > Harold:
> > > >
> > > > That is exactly why those books disappeared. Macmillan aka Simon and
> > > > Schuster who I sold to wanted to focus on big thick books on Java
and
> > C++
> > > > and so on. I was not happy about that, it was one of those hidden
> > agendas.
> > > > That is why I want to get back in, to bring those great books like
Image
> > > Lab
> > > > back. I have received a good deal of email from prospective
contributors
> > > and
> > > > I plan to write to all of them shortly with more information
> > > >
> > > > Mitch
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Harold Baize" <bai### [at] itsaucsfedu> wrote in message
> > > > news:3c3c8802@news.povray.org...
> > > > >
> > > > > My introduction to 3D computer graphics was your
> > > > > Image Lab book. It is interesting to me that you sold
> > > > > Waite Group in 1996, maybe that is why all those
> > > > > good computer graphics books disappeared ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Harold
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mitchell Waite" <mit### [at] dnaicom> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3c3a9a4b$1@news.povray.org...
> > > > > > Hi All:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My name is Mitchell Waite and I am the former publisher of RAY
> > TRACING
> > > > > > CREATIONS, the first (and only) POV Ray specific book.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With all the fantastic new improvements in POV Ray I am thinking
> > about
> > > > > > publishing a new title on POV Ray and I was wondering what the
> > > interest
> > > > > > level is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also I am looking for potential writers and contributors. Please
> > feel
> > > > free
> > > > > > to email me privately as well as let the group know how you feel
> > about
> > > > > this
> > > > > > idea.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can see the books I published at www.mitchwaite.com Click on
the
> > > > Books
> > > > > > menu item.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mitchell Waite
> > > > > > mit### [at] mitchwaitecom
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> Current obsession: "Ballet pour ma fille."
> http://www.applesnake.net
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"Mitchell Waite" wrote:
> I am also thinking about using Moray as the tool for
> modeling since it allows one to focus on the scene
> rather than the statements. Do you have an opinion on that idea?
It will exclude many users. As frequent quick surveys in this group have
shown, a very high percentage (far above 50% IIRC) never use modeling tools,
except maybe specific ones like HamaPatch. There are also many users who
primarily use Moray though. However, I think it would be better to make one
book for each of those two target group (moray/not moray) rather than mixing
them up, so as to avoid a lot of the content of the book being useless for
many users.
Rune
--
3D images and anims, include files, tutorials and more:
Rune's World: http://rsj.mobilixnet.dk (updated Jan 2)
POV-Ray Users: http://rsj.mobilixnet.dk/povrayusers/
POV-Ray Webring: http://webring.povray.co.uk
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