"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> 
> Also note that the 10best.raytrace.com copyright (
> http://10best.raytrace.com/10bestcopy.txt ) says:
> 

I just read the licence agreement and found that it would not have hurt to
restrict the use of submissions to the purpose of promoting Povray.  I
don't want to imply any bad intentions and promoting Povray is probably
the primary intention by everyone involved in that project, but since it
is a legal document, this seems a good idea to me.

Christoph

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Christoph Hormann wrote:

> I just read the licence agreement and found that it would not have hurt to
> restrict the use of submissions to the purpose of promoting Povray.  I
> don't want to imply any bad intentions and promoting Povray is probably
> the primary intention by everyone involved in that project, but since it
> is a legal document, this seems a good idea to me.

Chris Cason wrote it.
If he makes a display ad to sell the CD using say the winner of the "cover
image contest," would someone say that's not promoting povray?

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"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> 
> Chris Cason wrote it.
> If he makes a display ad to sell the CD using say the winner of the "cover
> image contest," would someone say that's not promoting povray?

No, just thought it would have been a good idea to write it in the licence
agreement, but no need to worry about it.

Christoph

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In article <3A142E5D.75A6A9EC@my-dejanews.com>, 
gre### [at] my-dejanewscom wrote:

> I have a STRONG personal adversion to being forced to unzip a few dozen
> files to see if it is what I'm looking for, so I insist that some kind of
> html search page is part of the tutorials section on the CD.

Nobody needs to unzip anything! I don't know where you get this idea 
that people are suggesting you put .zip files in those folders...

Again, NO .ZIP FILES ARE NEEDED!

Just put the files on the CD, completely unzipped, each in their own 
folder. Make sure each tutorial has an "index.html" page, and link to 
that page, all you have to worry about is the path to it, which will be 
extremely short if you don't do a bunch of categorization. This will 
both make the maintenence of the HTML code easier and it will allow 
people to access the files directly *without any additional work on your 
part*!

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On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:02:40 -0500, Greg M. Johnson wrote:

>Like how many is a problem?

On most Unix systems performance gets very bad somewhere between 10,000
and 100,000 entries in a single directory. But that's for their native
filesystems, not ISO-9660. I haven't done any tests on CD-ROM, and I
don't know enough about that filesystem to calculate it, but keeping all
files in a single directory is almost certainly not a good idea.

	hp

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On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 09:46:59 -0500, Greg M. Johnson wrote:
>Well, my philosophy is that only on rare occasions would anyone have to poke
>around the raw directory structure. I don't want it to be like p.b.t.      I
>aim to make it html navigable.  People will be confused & burdened with 200
>subdirectories or with 2000 items in one directory.

200 Subdirectories with understandable names are a lot less confusing
than 2000 files with meaningless names. Subdirectories are also good if
people use their browser, since the URL will indicate in which tutorial
they are, and whether a link points to another tutorial or to a
different part of the same tutorial.

	hp

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On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:41:25 -0500, Greg M. Johnson wrote:
>I'd like the collection to look something much more like the povray webring
>than say povray.binaries.tutorials.  I'd like it to be linked HTML pages
>rather than a collection of ZIP files.

Absolutely.

>Q1: Is the opposition to this proposal based on an assumption of a pile of
>ZIP's?

Absolutely not. If you just have a bunch of ZIPs, subdirectories might
be optional (you can think of the ZIPs as "subdirectories"), but if you
don't have ZIPs (and I see no reason why you should use ZIPs, there's
space for a lot of tutorials on a CD), you need the subdirectories to
structure the whole thing.


>I'm thinking that it will be a much bigger pain to write the CD if
>there are 100 subdirectories,

Why do think so?


>Q2: Isn't this similar to the IRTC rewriting your carefully chosen file
>names to suit its purposes, as it dumps everything into one folder, no?

No. In IRTC, every picture stands on its own. But on a tutorial CD-ROM,
all the files in a single tutorial belong together and should be in an
extra directory. If you have many tutorials, you might also want to
group related tutorials together.

	hp

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On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 08:20:11 -0500, Greg M. Johnson wrote:
>Q:  Am I correct that those wanting to look at a collection in the way
>Wlodzimierz is proposing would need some sort of TXT file in the
>subdirectory itself to understand the context of the files?  Or a non-html
>"povray webring-like" txt page for the whole assembly?

No. If the HTML files are reasonably clean, they can be read with any
text editor almost like plain text files. Also, if the directory names
are meaningful (e.g., "makefile.hjp" instead of "tut00043" for my (as
yet unwritten :-) tutorial on using povray with makefiles) they often give
enough clue to find a tutorial without reading the index file.

	hp

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On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:58:37 -0500, Greg M. Johnson wrote:
>The main collection "Your 10 Best Images" will have pages set up so that

Er, why is this under the Subject of "Tutorial collection"? Even if they
are on the same CD, there is no reason, why the Images section and the
tutorial section should be structured the same way.


>someone could see the thumbnails for:
> all the 3D Toons,
> all the work by Warp,
[...]
Good idea.


>Wlodzimierz ABX Skiba wrote:
>
>> if you just name subdirectories as
>> clouds1, clouds2, focblur, globals, isosrf1, isosrf2, layers, loops,
>> macro, media1, media2, pigments, plant, sky, tree1, tree2, variabls,
>> water1, water2, water3
>
>This could be done but certainly must not be the only way of locating the
>tuts. What if someone used media to make water? What if someone wrote a
>sPatch tutorial to make trees?

Set up extra index pages which group tutorials by different categories.
Or just make a big alphabetical index like they are used in books.
(Or both)

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On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:52:26 +0100, Christoph Hormann wrote:
>
>
>"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
>> 8)  Let's adopt a common standard for differentiation between
>> explanatory text and pov code.  What should this be?  <CODE>, <PRE><TT>,
>> switch from Arial to Courier??
>
>IMO '<PRE>' and maybe a standardized syntax highlighting scheme for POV
>code would be good. 

Yes, <pre> is meant for longer code sequences. <code> can only be used
inside a paragraph and should be used for short inline code snippets.

E.g.,

    <pre>
    texture {
	pigment {
	    image_map {
		png "turm-c.png"
		map_type 2
	    }
	    scale <1, 17.5, 1>
	}
    }
    </pre>

    <p>
	In the example above, <code>map_type 2</code> is used to indicate
	cylindrical mapping.
    </p>

For visual effects (font families and sizes, colors, ...) a common style
sheet should be used.

    	hp

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