We are formally announcing the 10best project.  (Ken, please
aggressively advertise this!)

Purpose

To celebrate excellence in the multiple styles and techniques used by
different pov users.
To provide a forum for display of the best work of the povray community
in a way that stresses diversity and multiple kinds of excellence over
competition.
To inspire and to instruct users on better techniques.
To generate revenue for the Pov team and fund the news.povray.org
server. Chris Cason has given his approval for this project.
To advance raytracing and advertise the POV-Ray freeware program.
To generate exposure for best pov artists.

See the page at:

http://10best.raytrace.com/gregtest/10best.html

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what if a person only has 2 best or something like that?

"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> 
> We are formally announcing the 10best project.  (Ken, please
> aggressively advertise this!)
> 
> Purpose
> 
> To celebrate excellence in the multiple styles and techniques used by
> different pov users.
> To provide a forum for display of the best work of the povray community
> in a way that stresses diversity and multiple kinds of excellence over
> competition.
> To inspire and to instruct users on better techniques.
> To generate revenue for the Pov team and fund the news.povray.org
> server. Chris Cason has given his approval for this project.
> To advance raytracing and advertise the POV-Ray freeware program.
> To generate exposure for best pov artists.
> 
> See the page at:
> 
> http://10best.raytrace.com/gregtest/10best.html

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UP TO 10 entries is cool.

ryan constantine wrote:

> what if a person only has 2 best or something like that?
>
> "Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> >
> > We are formally announcing the 10best project.  (Ken, please
> > aggressively advertise this!)
> >
> > Purpose
> >
> > To celebrate excellence in the multiple styles and techniques used by
> > different pov users.
> > To provide a forum for display of the best work of the povray community
> > in a way that stresses diversity and multiple kinds of excellence over
> > competition.
> > To inspire and to instruct users on better techniques.
> > To generate revenue for the Pov team and fund the news.povray.org
> > server. Chris Cason has given his approval for this project.
> > To advance raytracing and advertise the POV-Ray freeware program.
> > To generate exposure for best pov artists.
> >
> > See the page at:
> >
> > http://10best.raytrace.com/gregtest/10best.html

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As the Ladies' Man would say: Yeah, that's cool... :)

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Ken, please use instead this link:

http://10best.raytrace.com/10best.html

"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:

> We are formally announcing the 10best project.  (Ken, please
> aggressively advertise this!)
>
> Purpose
>
> To celebrate excellence in the multiple styles and techniques used by
> different pov users.
> To provide a forum for display of the best work of the povray community
> in a way that stresses diversity and multiple kinds of excellence over
> competition.
> To inspire and to instruct users on better techniques.
> To generate revenue for the Pov team and fund the news.povray.org
> server. Chris Cason has given his approval for this project.
> To advance raytracing and advertise the POV-Ray freeware program.
> To generate exposure for best pov artists.
>
> See the page at:
>
> http://10best.raytrace.com/gregtest/10best.html

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"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> 
> We are formally announcing the 10best project.  (Ken, please
> aggressively advertise this!)
> 
[...]

The whole thing seems to be quite a long term project, you are writing about 
submissions not before end of november.  Of course that gives the chance to
promote the project and gives possibilities to plan things like tutorials for
it, but since first announcement was already some time ago i would suggest not
to wait too long for the finish (how about the end of the year as final deadline
?)

Christoph

-- 
Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde>
Homepage: http://www.schunter.etc.tu-bs.de/~chris/

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Christoph Hormann wrote:

> "Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> >
> > We are formally announcing the 10best project.  (Ken, please
> > aggressively advertise this!)
> >
> [...]
>
> The whole thing seems to be quite a long term project, you are writing about
> submissions not before end of november.  Of course that gives the chance to
> promote the project and gives possibilities to plan things like tutorials for
> it, but since first announcement was already some time ago i would suggest not
> to wait too long for the finish (how about the end of the year as final deadline
> ?)
>
> Christoph
>
> --
> Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde>
> Homepage: http://www.schunter.etc.tu-bs.de/~chris/

Good points.

1) I think that not that many people have yet heard about it.   My geocities
statistics for the  http://www.geocities/pterandon/10best.html page showed only 223
hits after several months existence; when I had a tutorial web page advertised on
http://povray.org, it got 1000 hits very quickly.  My conclusion is that many more
people will see something discussed on http://povray.org than on
news:news.povray.org

2) Yes, I'm always open to extending the date further out in time.  There are going
to be delays. Yesterday's announcement was delayed because I found my ability to
learn PHP to be much slower than I expected and hence had to get help from a friend
for that submission page at the bottom.  The one thing I *don't* want to do is tell
submitters/judges to do one thing and then come back and say do this thing again in
a different way.  I'd rather jerk people around by giving them more time :) than
jerk them around by asking them do something once and redo it again  :(   .

3) In any case, I anticipate  December 15 for OPENING of submissions; with a min of
2 weeks, perhaps longer.  I also anticipate the complications of setting up the
tutorial pages to take longer.  Also, if  20 people participate instead of 200 or
20000 we may have to extend the deadline much much longer or drop the project
altogether.

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Cool that you think so.  Please you and everyone interested in
participating fill out that survey at the bottom so we can plan how to
run the event.  The logistics will be very different whether there are
75 or 7500 participants......

"Tony[B]" wrote:

> As the Ladies' Man would say: Yeah, that's cool... :)

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"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> 
> 
> 1) I think that not that many people have yet heard about it.   My geocities
> statistics for the  http://www.geocities/pterandon/10best.html page showed only 223
> hits after several months existence; when I had a tutorial web page advertised on
> http://povray.org, it got 1000 hits very quickly.  My conclusion is that many more
> people will see something discussed on http://povray.org than on
> news:news.povray.org
> 

I understand that problem, a good idea would be working stronger on
advertisement - offering banners to be placed on personal websites, doing
translations of the announcement pages to different languages (i could help with
a german version), asking related websites apart from povray.org to make
announcements...

Maybe also a more eye-catching layout for the page - i like it as it is, but not
everyone does ...

[...]
> 
> 3) In any case, I anticipate  December 15 for OPENING of submissions; with a min of
> 2 weeks, perhaps longer.  I also anticipate the complications of setting up the
> tutorial pages to take longer.  Also, if  20 people participate instead of 200 or
> 20000 we may have to extend the deadline much much longer or drop the project
> altogether.

I think that's a problematic point, because many people especially hesitate to
take part in a project that has no definite future (i know that's quite a
dilemma, because the future is mainly influenced by the people taking part :) so
i would not suggest opening submissions without a defined deadline.  

Christoph

-- 
Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde>
Homepage: http://www.schunter.etc.tu-bs.de/~chris/

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Christoph Hormann wrote:

> I understand that problem, a good idea would be working stronger on
> advertisement - offering banners to be placed on personal websites, doing
> translations of the announcement pages to different languages (i could help with
> a german version), asking related websites apart from povray.org to make
> announcements...

Will consider.

> Maybe also a more eye-catching layout for the page - i like it as it is, but not
> everyone does ...

Yikes! People are complaining are they? I thought about a background image contest,
but

The worst thing on a web page is to have custom made gifs that don't work anything
because the purpose and scope of the page has changed and the owner hasn't had time to
make new button images.....

> I think that's a problematic point, because many people especially hesitate to
> take part in a project that has no definite future (i know that's quite a
> dilemma, because the future is mainly influenced by the people taking part :) so
> i would not suggest opening submissions without a defined deadline.

Well, if I'm able to open on December 15th with and advertised 2 week deadline, I for
sure will close the gates if I get a huge handful by December 31st.


> Christoph
>
> --
> Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde>
> Homepage: http://www.schunter.etc.tu-bs.de/~chris/

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