I was wondering about this.
Being an enthusiast of raytracing, but not very creative, and having few
knowledge of how it all works, I am limited to rendering other people's
work.
For years I wanted to print them at the best quality, but not too
costly.
Now with the advent of the digital camera, Kodak and in my country
Spector are giving you the option of printing photos (but also other
files in JPG format) at a maximum resolution of 30x20 cm.
This seems enough for what I want to do.
So I have started looking at all the images from the IRTC that I like,
and  changing the aspect ratio to 3:2, and the resolution to 3000x2000
with antialiasing, which you would need to get those pictures at
sufficient quality on print without any ugly borders.
You can then put them in a frame.

What I was wondering if there are other people that would be interested
in those JPG files, and what the creators of those files would think if
I made a website with some of there works of art :

- at 3000x2000x16.7 million colours, with a 3:2 aspect ratio.
- I would of course put the name of the person that created it next to
it.

Would they object to this ?
I mean : on the one hand they're not my works of art, and they might
object to the fact I am changing the aspect ratio.
On the other I would respect their copyright by not pretending I created
them, and by placing the names of the authors next to them.
After all, anyone could rerender them and change them accordingly, as
you can get the files from the IRTC archives.

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Very close to a sales concept there.  Not sure how you could go about doing
that without a lengthy contract signed by each person.  Not everyone thinks
of the business aspects of what they are doing even though it comes close to
being so simply by the distribution (redistribution in this case) of their
work.

Bob

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In article <39A4360C.67970FA7@poboxes.com> , Filiep Geeraert 
<fil### [at] poboxescom>  wrote:

> Would they object to this ?
> I mean : on the one hand they're not my works of art, and they might
> object to the fact I am changing the aspect ratio.
> On the other I would respect their copyright by not pretending I created
> them, and by placing the names of the authors next to them.
> After all, anyone could rerender them and change them accordingly, as
> you can get the files from the IRTC archives.

I think the only way every author would accept is to contact the author and
ask for permission.


       Thorsten

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Thorsten Froehlich wrote:

> I think the only way every author would accept is to contact the author and
> ask for permission.
> 
>        Thorsten

I tend to think of it as a moral responsibility.

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Filiep Geeraert wrote:
> 
[...]
> 
> What I was wondering if there are other people that would be interested
> in those JPG files, and what the creators of those files would think if
> I made a website with some of there works of art :
> 
> - at 3000x2000x16.7 million colours, with a 3:2 aspect ratio.
> - I would of course put the name of the person that created it next to
> it.
> 

There is already a site with some larger version of IRTC images:

http://sh55k01.jvb.tudelft.nl/irtc/

Not the size you want, but it's somewhere on the way.

> Would they object to this ?
> I mean : on the one hand they're not my works of art, and they might
> object to the fact I am changing the aspect ratio.
> On the other I would respect their copyright by not pretending I created
> them, and by placing the names of the authors next to them.
> After all, anyone could rerender them and change them accordingly, as
> you can get the files from the IRTC archives.

You surely have to get permission from every single artist.  

You should also remember, that the aspect ratio somehow is part of the work, so
you would also change the scene in some way.

Christoph

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Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde>
Homepage: http://www.schunter.etc.tu-bs.de/~chris/

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Phew !
If you 're talking contracts, business, I haven't got a clue of those
things.
I mean, I am not in the photo business and I am in no way related to
this,  neither would I be making any money from this, in other words :
noone would be making any money from it, just like POVRay itself.
The only purpose was to spare others the time of rerendering.
Some of those images rendered for days on end.
If you could download those images from a site instead of having your
computer being occupied for days on end, wouldn't you find that
interesting ?

But if I have to contact every author and start signing contracts, no
thanks.

Bob Hughes wrote:
> 
> Very close to a sales concept there.  Not sure how you could go about doing
> that without a lengthy contract signed by each person.  Not everyone thinks
> of the business aspects of what they are doing even though it comes close to
> being so simply by the distribution (redistribution in this case) of their
> work.
> 
> Bob

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Yes, true.
Also, for example in PACMAN.POV I added an extra power pill, because the
viewing area is a bit different and on a 3:2 aspect ratio, one more
power pill can be seen, part of it anyway.

Christoph Hormann wrote:
> 
> Filiep Geeraert wrote:
> >
> [...]
> >
> > What I was wondering if there are other people that would be interested
> > in those JPG files, and what the creators of those files would think if
> > I made a website with some of there works of art :
> >
> > - at 3000x2000x16.7 million colours, with a 3:2 aspect ratio.
> > - I would of course put the name of the person that created it next to
> > it.
> >
> 
> There is already a site with some larger version of IRTC images:
> 
> http://sh55k01.jvb.tudelft.nl/irtc/
> 
> Not the size you want, but it's somewhere on the way.
> 
> > Would they object to this ?
> > I mean : on the one hand they're not my works of art, and they might
> > object to the fact I am changing the aspect ratio.
> > On the other I would respect their copyright by not pretending I created
> > them, and by placing the names of the authors next to them.
> > After all, anyone could rerender them and change them accordingly, as
> > you can get the files from the IRTC archives.
> 
> You surely have to get permission from every single artist.
> 
> You should also remember, that the aspect ratio somehow is part of the work, so
> you would also change the scene in some way.
> 
> Christoph
> 
> --
> Christoph Hormann <chr### [at] gmxde>
> Homepage: http://www.schunter.etc.tu-bs.de/~chris/

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