Ask him how much he's willing to pay, and then decide from there if you feel
that is enough or not.

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Good point as well. My problem is that I undervalue my time and effort so
much that I might as well give work away free (In fact, I usually do), so I
am not one to advise you on pricing. You should definitely make sure your
name is mentioned, tho.

Personally, I'm wondering how mayn IRTC entries it will take before Rusty
appears in his own half hour tape....

Josh

John VanSickle wrote:

> Josh English wrote:
> >
> > Is this a one time deal or does he want to develop an act and take it
> > on the road? I would charge more for a one time thing than for repeat
> > shows for each time it was played.
>
> My intent was to quote a certain figure, to be paid for each showing
> before a paying audience.  I might ask for the expected attendance
> figures.
>
> Regards,
> John
> --
> ICQ: 46085459

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eng### [at] spiritonecom
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50$

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On Mon, 05 Jun 2000 15:37:17 -0400, John VanSickle
<van### [at] erolscom> wrote:

>What would be a reasonable figure to charge?

I can't give you a figure, but there is something that no one else
seems to be mentioning here. Photographers and many other artists that
sell to magazines, for example, adjust their charge based upon things
such as the expected size of the audience (how big the circulation
is), and the size the work will actually be printed at, (ie.,
full-page, 1/4 page, etc.)

A rough translation to your situation would be something like this:

If this will only be shown to small audiences, for a limited time, by
a person that doesn't draw large crowds, you might want to charge less
than someone else that performs on national TV to vast audiences.
Likewise, if this is to be a big or important part of his act, he
should pay more, than if it is just a small or minor part of his act.

To put it in the most primitive terms: The more *he* benefits, the
more *you* should benefit. Whatever arrangement you decide upon, keep
this in mind. Some have mentioned that the exposure alone might be of
benefit to you, regardless of actual payment. This is certainly a
factor to keep in mind, but only can decide how much this is worth to
you personally.

Your idea to charge for each showing is definitely a good idea. You
might also want to charge a figure based upon screen-time for the
animation itself, instead of the amount of hours you put into the
creation of the piece. In the future, if you made a longer animation
for him, it would naturally cost him more. 

(That doesn't mean that you can't factor your labor into the price
somehow, but I think you should consider presenting a price to your
customer as being based upon the running length of the animation.)

Finally, I do hope you are only licensing the rights to show your
animation for a specified time period, in a specified manner, and
don't make the mistake of letting him "buy" the animation from you
entirely. (Unless you get paid a very large sum for giving up all your
future rights to the piece.)

There are a million different ways to handle this, and many of them
are good ways. I hope I gave you at least one or two good ideas to
think about.

Later,
Glen Berry

7no### [at] ezwvcom
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John VanSickle wrote:
> 
> I have been approached by a fellow who wishes to show one of my Rusty
> animations as part of a 30-minute presentation at a comedy club.  I am
> amenable to this, especially since this individual is willing to pay
> real money for this.
> 
> What would be a reasonable figure to charge?

A friend of mine and myself show Super-8 (yes, it's still alive)
animations at disco events. We get paid about $500 per evening,
but it's all evening's work. I'd guess (especially since you didn't
do the animation to earn money with it in the first place) that
an amount of $50 to $200 would be good, depending on how much
the "fellow" gets. What about a fixed percentage of the fellow's
earnings?

Markus

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"Mike Weber" <mik### [at] pyxiscom> wrote in message
news:393c30f7@news.povray.org...
> "Scott Hill" <sco### [at] geniecouk> wrote in message
> news:393c2c0e@news.povray.org...
> > "Mike Weber" <mik### [at] pyxiscom> wrote in message
> > news:393c254b$1@news.povray.org...
> > > You shouldn't charge by the hour - what if you were learning a new
> > > technique - you shouldn't charge your customer for your training...
> > >
> >
> >     Why not ? Companies routinely factor design and development costs
into
> > their product prices. Learning a new technique is, surely, just a part
of
> > that design and development process.
> >
>
> A company that can absord the cost will do that, but an individual
> shouldn't.
> Would you pay someone to build your house and charged according to time,
and
> part of that time was to learn how to cut wood?
>

    Yes, but I wouldn't expect to pay anywhere near as much per hour as I
would for an experienced workman.
    Set your hourly rate with respect to your ability - so although you'll
charge for more hours you'll probably still be cheaper, because your hourly
rate is lower, than someone more experienced (if not, you're over pricing
your time). Then, when you're more experienced you charge for less hours but
at a higher rate.

    I think amongst artists, workmen, contract programmers and a whole host
of other people there's a kind of moral concensus that you shouldn't charge
for the time you spend learning your craft. Well, as a programmer who is
considering going semi-independent, excuse the french, but bollocks to that!
When I'm working for a company I get paid for both the time I spend working
and the time I spend learning, so, when I work for myself, am I going to
factor the time I spent learning into what I charge ? Hell yeah! But, as I
said before you charge a rate that reflects your ability, so, if your still
learning, that hourly rate should be really low.

--
Scott Hill. (sco### [at] innocentcom)
Software Engineer.
Author of Pandora's Box (coming to a web page soon(ish)).

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Serge LAROCQUE wrote:
> 
> > A friend of mine and myself show Super-8 (yes, it's still alive)
> > animations at disco events.
> 
> disco events? :-)

Disco is still alive ?

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Ken wrote:
> 
> Disco is still alive ?

Disco isn't dead; it only smells that way.

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find out how much your client has, then charge him that - if he quibbles
drop it a bit

Rick

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John VanSickle wrote:
> 
> What would be a reasonable figure to charge?
> 

I recently netted about $500 US for a 3 minute clip; however it was for a
commercial trade show presentation and ran continuously for several days. So
perhaps not exactly an equivalent case.

-- 
Margus Ramst

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TAG (Team Assistance Group) e-mail: mar### [at] tagpovrayorg

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