"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:

> Ken, does your web site counter track unique individuals or just hits?

It's your basic WYSIWYG hit counter with no reporting mechanism.

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If it is of any use to you or anyone, theCounter.com can give statistics on
"unique" vists, which I think means that it only counts the first visit of
every different user.  See the statistics for my page(s) at:

http://www.TheCounter.com/counter/50671.vmain?1
http://www.TheCounter.com/counter/352816.vmain?1


Ken wrote:

> "Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
>
> > Ken, does your web site counter track unique individuals or just hits?
>
> It's your basic WYSIWYG hit counter with no reporting mechanism.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler -  1300+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
> http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/

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"Rune" wrote in message
> Pavel Rumyantsev wrote:
> >I think, that many people read these
> >newsgroups, but only a little part of
> >them write in these newsgroups.
>
> I think so too.
>
> I also think that the people who read
> these newsgroups are only a little
> part of all the POV-Ray users.
>
> Somewhere on www.povray.org there's a
> list with all the newsgroups, but I
> think it's too difficult to find the
> page with that list.
> I think it should be linked to from
> either the menu bar or the home page,
> like it was once. That will make new
> users more aware of these groups.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Rune
>

I totaly agree with you....

Ambis

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Rune wrote:

> Pavel Rumyantsev wrote:
> >I think, that many people read these
> >newsgroups, but only a little part of
> >them write in these newsgroups.
>
> I think so too.
>
> I also think that the people who read
> these newsgroups are only a little
> part of all the POV-Ray users.
>

This is a facinating thread, but trying to determine how many people use
POV would be like trying to find out how many people drive "Volkswagons"
by counting the number of people that belong to "VW" car clubs.
(enter the car of your choice)

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On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 17:02:09 +0100, Gilles Tran <tra### [at] inapginrafr>
wrote:

>Peter Popov wrote:
>
>> If there were another POV user in Bulgaria I would have heard about
>> him or her by now. This makes 1 in 8 million where I live. Unlikely I
>> think :)
>>
>
>Everytime I do a public lecture about my POV work (happens a couple of times a year),
>there's always at least one person who's using it too in the attendance. It is often
>surprising. I've discovered for instance that some teachers use it to teach maths to
>kids. People who are not internet-savvy just do not know about the newsgroups or the
>povray page and do their own pov stuff ignoring the community out there. There are
>also people who have to do a quick 3D stuff at work, spend a day learning the basics,
>turn out the couple of spheres they need, and that's all.
>Unlike commercial packages, who tend to appeal to certain definite crowds, POV seems
>very versatile in that respect. It's a strange phenomenon actually.
>
>G.

Yes, but around here you can get MAX 3.0 for $8.0 . Most amateur 3D
artists don't consider the price a hindrance for their carreer <grin>.

And no, I have never pirated MAX. Honestly.


Peter Popov
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ICQ: 15002700

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Yeah, but still, it's not like it's under 1000 people or over 1000 million.
Somewhere in-between.  Like maybe 10,000 to 100,000 people that have a used copy
of PoV...  Just can't seem to let my guestimating go  :-)

Bob

"Alex McMurray" <ale### [at] melbpcorgau> wrote in message
news:38976A37.BED8486B@melbpc.org.au...
| Rune wrote:
|
| > Pavel Rumyantsev wrote:
| > >I think, that many people read these
| > >newsgroups, but only a little part of
| > >them write in these newsgroups.
| >
| > I think so too.
| >
| > I also think that the people who read
| > these newsgroups are only a little
| > part of all the POV-Ray users.
| >
|
| This is a facinating thread, but trying to determine how many people use
| POV would be like trying to find out how many people drive "Volkswagons"
| by counting the number of people that belong to "VW" car clubs.
| (enter the car of your choice)

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Peter Popov wrote in message ...

>And no, I have never pirated MAX. Honestly.


Have you ever pirated it dishonestly?  :-)

Mark

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Can I write you a check for $10 for a legal copy?

Peter Popov wrote:

> On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 17:02:09 +0100, Gilles Tran <tra### [at] inapginrafr>
> wrote:
>
> Yes, but around here you can get MAX 3.0 for $8.0 . Most amateur 3D
> artists don't consider the price a hindrance for their carreer <grin>.
>
> And no, I have never pirated MAX. Honestly.
>
> Peter Popov
> pet### [at] usanet
> ICQ: 15002700

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Me too?

"Greg M. Johnson" <gre### [at] my-dejanewscom> wrote in message
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> Can I write you a check for $10 for a legal copy?
>
> Peter Popov wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 17:02:09 +0100, Gilles Tran <tra### [at] inapginrafr>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Yes, but around here you can get MAX 3.0 for $8.0 . Most amateur 3D
> > artists don't consider the price a hindrance for their carreer <grin>.
> >
> > And no, I have never pirated MAX. Honestly.
> >
> > Peter Popov
> > pet### [at] usanet
> > ICQ: 15002700
>
>
>

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On Wed, 02 Feb 2000 09:07:52 -0500, "Greg M. Johnson"
<gre### [at] my-dejanewscom> wrote:

>Can I write you a check for $10 for a legal copy?

Seriously, the availability of warez here is unbelievable. As my
father (who, aside from FreeCell, only uses software written by my
brother :) ) says, "Paying $10 for Win98 here when it costs $200 in
the US is piracy, but why being paid $100 here when you'd be paid
$2000 in the US is NOT considered piracy?" I totally agree.

I haven't pirated MAX not because of fear of the law or the feeling of
guilt. Were thesemajor factors here, only a few hundred people in the
whole country would be using computers. I haven't because of
principles. Someone once gave me a CDR with MAX on it. I read the
setup notes and there were things like "Pentium 90 is the vital
minuimum" (486/80 at the time), "1024x768 in hi-or tru-color"
(640x480x256 back then), "400 MB free space for installation" (1.2 Gb
disc) and "Approx. three times more swap than ram, so 300 MB should be
fine." No, thanks.


Peter Popov
pet### [at] usanet
ICQ: 15002700

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