Ron Parker wrote:

> Watch me not take the bait.

Ok. It is your choice after all and I will at least respect that.

Viva la Netscape !

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Ron Parker wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:14:47 -0700, Ken wrote:
> >
> >
> >Ron Parker wrote:
> >
> >>  It's far better than anything Netscape will ever produce.
> >
> >  I personally like Netscape and resent the implications you are making about
> >my preferred choice of software. Had you said the same about Internet Exporer
> >I would have happily agreed with you but since this was not the case you have
> >some explaining to do Sir.
> 
> Watch me not take the bait.

Dang! And I was really hoping...
Ken is right, of course. So there's not much to say. >:)

Margus

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Ron Parker wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:34:29 -0400, Matt Giwer wrote:
> >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >--------------130CED139398AB15E1C28502
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

> ^^^ Those aren't headers.  They're MIME Multipart separators.

> >       I look at my own messages and see no such thing. Why don't you
> >just adjust your reader not to show the message headers? Every

> A) That's because you're using a web browser instead of a news reader.
> B) Those aren't headers.  Even if you turn off headers, the useless MIME
>    crap shows up.  MIME is okay in binaries groups, because we expect it
>    there, but it is out of place in a text-only group.

	That confirms TIN being a primitive newreader. 

	So now the polite request is to switch modes depending upon
which newsgroup? 

> I'm usually happy to just ignore it, but when people are wrong and then
> get belligerent about their right to be wrong rather than solving the
> problem, it starts to bother me.

	So far as I can tell, one person appears to have a problem. And
his problem is that his newsreader is the lowest common
denominator. And if you do not mind, that bothers me. If someone
wants to complain my website is not compatible with Lynx, I do
not think my response would be belligerant. 

	As to rude, I direct your attention to his first post to me on
the subject. 

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And if TIN is great, TIN is good, it can filter out my posts if
they are so annoying.

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On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:39:47 -0400, Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>--------------AD72158577FF48AA6FA382F9
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>	That confirms TIN being a primitive newreader. 

No, it confirms that Netscape and Microsoft wouldn't recognize the relevant RFC
if it was crammed up their collective asses one page at a time.  Any decent
newsreader has the same problem with vcards.

>	So now the polite request is to switch modes depending upon
>which newsgroup? 

No, the polite request is and has been to ditch the vcard.  Only other Netscape
users can make any use of it, and it conveys no additional useful information.

>> I'm usually happy to just ignore it, but when people are wrong and then
>> get belligerent about their right to be wrong rather than solving the
>> problem, it starts to bother me.
>
>	So far as I can tell, one person appears to have a problem. And
>his problem is that his newsreader is the lowest common
>denominator. And if you do not mind, that bothers me. If someone
>wants to complain my website is not compatible with Lynx, I do
>not think my response would be belligerant. 

Actually, I count at least three different people who have said vcards
irritate them.  My newsreader is hardly the least common denominator
(the math guy in me says there is no such thing anyway) as it has features
yours doesn't and never will, such as the ability to score posts. 

>	As to rude, I direct your attention to his first post to me on
>the subject.

I see.  The fact that he was rude to you justifies you being rude to him.
I'm so glad I skipped kindergarten, if that's what they're teaching these
days.

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On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:43:44 -0400, Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>--------------B394F3AE2196077F9281459F
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>	And if TIN is great, TIN is good, it can filter out my posts if
>they are so annoying.
>--------------B394F3AE2196077F9281459F
>Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;
> name="mgiwer.vcf"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Content-Description: Card for Matt Giwer
>Content-Disposition: attachment;
> filename="mgiwer.vcf"
>
>begin:vcard 
>n:Giwer;Matt 
>tel;cell:813-694-3998
>tel;work:813-972-2574
>x-mozilla-html:FALSE
>org:Images Incarnate
>version:2.1
>email;internet:mgi### [at] giwersworldorg
>title:Owner
>adr;quoted-printable:;;14205 Nebraska Ave=0D=0A#27;Tampa;FL;33613;USA
>fn:Matt Giwer
>end:vcard
>
>--------------B394F3AE2196077F9281459F--

True.  Warp was just giving you a chance to fix your problem before taking
such a drastic step.  Oh... by the way... find the two lines of content in 
the 20+ lines of quoted material above.  Quickly now.  Time's a wastin'.

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Ron Parker wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:39:47 -0400, Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:

> >       That confirms TIN being a primitive newreader.

> No, it confirms that Netscape and Microsoft wouldn't recognize the relevant RFC
> if it was crammed up their collective asses one page at a time.  Any decent
> newsreader has the same problem with vcards.

	I am unaware NS and MS being thrown off the RFC committees for
failure to comply. While I agree unix is the best OS available, I
find its users generally an unsurly lot when it comes to their
self-perceived superiority in using it. And, yes, I have used it
and VMS and some other long dead and happily so OSs. 

> >       So now the polite request is to switch modes depending upon
> >which newsgroup?

> No, the polite request is and has been to ditch the vcard.  Only other Netscape
> users can make any use of it, and it conveys no additional useful information.

	Did I miss that post? Can you direct me to it? 

> >       So far as I can tell, one person appears to have a problem. And
> >his problem is that his newsreader is the lowest common
> >denominator. And if you do not mind, that bothers me. If someone
> >wants to complain my website is not compatible with Lynx, I do
> >not think my response would be belligerant.

> Actually, I count at least three different people who have said vcards
> irritate them.  My newsreader is hardly the least common denominator
> (the math guy in me says there is no such thing anyway) as it has features
> yours doesn't and never will, such as the ability to score posts.

	Scoring posts, now that appears to be a useful one. If slrn is
to great it has the ability to filter. Use it. No difference to
me. 

	As to three people it annoys and for the math guy in you, that
is (users<sub>tot</sub> - 3) who are at least polite enough to
deal with the world as it is. Is that number significantly
different from (users<sub>tot</sub> - 1)? 

> >       As to rude, I direct your attention to his first post to me on
> >the subject.

> I see.  The fact that he was rude to you justifies you being rude to him.
> I'm so glad I skipped kindergarten, if that's what they're teaching these
> days.

	Now that was clever. A kindergarten reference. Have any more
from the Dale Carnegie manual? 

	You folks are really insisting upon a pissing contest to waste
disk space. Why is it so important to you?

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Ron Parker wrote:

> True.  Warp was just giving you a chance to fix your problem before taking
> such a drastic step.  Oh... by the way... find the two lines of content in
> the 20+ lines of quoted material above.  Quickly now.  Time's a wastin'.

	Who is he to give me a chance? A chance for what? To have the
pleasure of his reading my posts? Why would I care? Was
l&oumlaut; mit diese Bild? (Wrong assumed_gamma I guess.)

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Ron Parker <par### [at] fwicom> wrote:
: I have never been so happy to be wrong in my life.  It's "common knowledge"
: that tin doesn't do references-based threading, but from your pictures it's
: apparent that the common knowledge, like most such, is wrong.  In that case,
: stick with tin.  It's far better than anything Netscape will ever produce.

  That allegation about tin has been true for long time, but since the
newest version appeared (about a half or one year ago), it has supported
threading, ansi colors, mouse (yes, mouse; through xterm; incredible, eh?),
etc.
  I use netscape to read the binaries groups, but it's too heavy for regular
news reading (specially in this computer (sparcstation 4) which is quite
slow).

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main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i]
):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/

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Matt Giwer <mgi### [at] giwersworldorg> wrote:
: 	And if TIN is great, TIN is good, it can filter out my posts if
: they are so annoying.

  Actually tin can do it, but even when you would never know that I'm
automatically ignoring your posts, I find it more insulting than your
flamewar posts about your vcard. I have never put anyone in my kill-file
and wouldn't want to start now.
  It would be nice, however, if you would post articles like anyone else.
What's the big deal, anyways? What's the problem in making just a signature
like anyone else? What's the problem with you? Why do you start a flame war?
What's so special with a vcard anyways?

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