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Ken wrote:
> Nieminen Mika wrote:
> >
> > David Heys <cel### [at] hotmail com> wrote:
> > : The ".jp" indicates the site is hosted in Japan. I don't have my browsers set
> > : to show pages in anything other than english. As a result, when I drop in on
> > : Finnish, Japaneze, etc... sites, I see the gobbledeegook you seem to have
> > : seen.
> >
> > Finnish? I have never seen such a page in Finland. I think that they all
> > use regular latin-1 coding.
>
> I don't even have latin-1 coding as an option in my version of Netscape.
> I have my default set to western ISO 8859-1 and have options to various
> flavours of Baltic, Central Europe, Chinese, Cyrillic, Greek, Japanese,
> Korean, Turkish, and Unicode.
>
To help out, Latin-1 is ISO-8859-1.
If you were only involved in the esoteric field of i18n then you'd know that :-)
Oh, and byt the way, Windows uses their own CP-1252, not Latin-1/8859-1. Almost the
same, but just different enough to cause headaches.
--
"My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.
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Matt Swarm wrote:
> Ken:
>
> I love a good mystery.
>
> The respondants have taken what seems to be the right tack. Japanese
> consistently mix in western characters and names, even in their
> Japanese-language printed material. All without translation or even
> transliteration. Just 'plop.'
>
> BUT... a look at the HTML source does NOT remind me of Unicode or extended
> character sets. Too many $-signs and not enough characters wrapping into
> the upper range of the normal 255-character ASCII set. It doesn't look
> like other Japanese sites, if memory serves.
>
> If my off-the-cuff peek has led me astray... I'll blame it on sleep
> deprivation. If not, I'd guess somebody's HTML editor DLL went all scwewy.
>
Yes, it is Japanese, but not the most common encodings. It is not EUC-JP nor
Shift-JIS. It is "JIS" or ISO-2022-JP. But additionally it has a lot of
Katakana/Hiragana and not so much Kanji. This can also make it look different.
Just use Netscape on RedHat Linux 6.0 and you'd see it all by selecting
"Japanese (Auto-Detect)". For those of you on Windows, you have to first have
Unicode or Japanese font installed and then change the Netscape preferences to
use that font for Japanese.
Now, if you love a good mystery, here is how to solve this one. First, get a
Japanese font setup and working. You can test it out by hitting my favorite
test site: http://www.sanrio.co.jp/ (I'm pretty sure they'll be around for a
while)
Next, go to the mysery site. Now that you are there, by the URL you guess it's
Japanese. First try viewing using "Japanese (EUC-JP)". Nope. No dice. Now try
"Japanese (Shift-JIS). Nope. Not a Japanese MS Windows kinda site :-). Now try
"Japanese (Auto-Detect). Bingo! So it's Japanese, but not one of those two
encodings. That leaves "JIS"/ISO-2022-JP.
--
"My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.
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Ya done good Jon!
I was going to take the easy way out and quiz a couple of clients in Japan--
assuming I could find a monment in the middle of packing for this move--
aaaarrrghh!
:)
>
>Yes, it is Japanese, but not the most common encodings. It is not EUC-JP
nor
>Shift-JIS. It is "JIS" or ISO-2022-JP. But additionally it has a lot of
>Katakana/Hiragana and not so much Kanji. This can also make it look
different.
>
>Just use Netscape on RedHat Linux 6.0 and you'd see it all by selecting
>"Japanese (Auto-Detect)". For those of you on Windows, you have to first
have
>Unicode or Japanese font installed and then change the Netscape preferences
to
>use that font for Japanese.
>
>
>Now, if you love a good mystery, here is how to solve this one. First, get
a
>Japanese font setup and working. You can test it out by hitting my favorite
>test site: http://www.sanrio.co.jp/ (I'm pretty sure they'll be around for
a
>while)
>
>Next, go to the mysery site. Now that you are there, by the URL you guess
it's
>Japanese. First try viewing using "Japanese (EUC-JP)". Nope. No dice. Now
try
>"Japanese (Shift-JIS). Nope. Not a Japanese MS Windows kinda site :-). Now
try
>"Japanese (Auto-Detect). Bingo! So it's Japanese, but not one of those two
>encodings. That leaves "JIS"/ISO-2022-JP.
>
>
>--
>"My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
>But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.
>
>
>
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Matt Swarm wrote:
> Ya done good Jon!
>
> I was going to take the easy way out and quiz a couple of clients in Japan--
> assuming I could find a monment in the middle of packing for this move--
> aaaarrrghh!
>
> :)
>
Now, if you were only running Netscape on Linux, all would have worked great.
--
"My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.
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<37C2478D.4E733503@geocities.com>...
>Matt Swarm wrote:
>
>> Ya done good Jon!
>>
>> I was going to take the easy way out and quiz a couple of clients
in Japan--
>> assuming I could find a monment in the middle of packing for this
move--
>> aaaarrrghh!
>>
>> :)
>>
>
>Now, if you were only running Netscape on Linux, all would have
worked great.
Maybe that's because Linux is already Chinese ot most fo us ? ;-)
>
>--
>"My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
>But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.
>
>
>
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Unless you happen to be running Red Hat Linux and you go to a web page
heavy in Java. The everything goes KABLOOY!!! (There are work-arounds,
but Netscape unter Linux is Quite buggy. For more info see
www.searchlinux.com)
Ken Matassa
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Ken Matassa wrote:
> Unless you happen to be running Red Hat Linux and you go to a web page
> heavy in Java. The everything goes KABLOOY!!! (There are work-arounds,
> but Netscape unter Linux is Quite buggy. For more info see
> www.searchlinux.com)
>
> Ken Matassa
Silly Matassa, Java's for Applications.
:-)
Jon A. Cruz: Java programmer who keeps Java disabled in Netscape.
--
"My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.
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Ken;
The site you refer to, namely
>http://web.kyoto-inet.or.jp/people/tantaka/modeler.html
is in fact in Japanese. The encoding is ISO-2022-JP, and should appear
similar to the attached graphic if your web browser is configured correctly.
Gregg
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Jon A. Cruz wrote:
> Silly Matassa, Java's for Applications.
>
> :-)
>
> Jon A. Cruz: Java programmer who keeps Java disabled in Netscape.
Yah, disabling Java is a good idea. What I was refering to were Java
applettes, which seem to cause the Linux port of Netscape to do some
funny things, depending on system set up. There is an whole newsgroup at
searchlinux.com devoted to this problem.
Ken Matassa
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Ken Matassa wrote:
> Jon A. Cruz wrote:
>
> > Silly Matassa, Java's for Applications.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Jon A. Cruz: Java programmer who keeps Java disabled in Netscape.
>
> Yah, disabling Java is a good idea. What I was refering to were Java
> applettes, which seem to cause the Linux port of Netscape to do some
> funny things, depending on system set up. There is an whole newsgroup at
> searchlinux.com devoted to this problem.
I know.
Some time I might bother working on that, but not now. Just not worth it.
About the only thing that I'd ever need an applet to work for is to access
the MS MSDN library. And when I'm in Linux guess how much I need that.
:-)
--
"My new computer's got the clocks, it rocks
But it was obsolete before I opened the box" - W.A.Y.
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