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From: Graham Redway
Subject: Re: remote rendering?
Date: 18 Jul 1999 17:24:43
Message: <37924692.CD2A1E25@plymouth.ac.uk>
600Kb files are fine for me. I'm running a PII233, 192Mb so if you need
me to render your final scene the offers still open (I'd just leave it
running over night.)

	Graham
P.S. I wouldn't steal your IRTC entry and claim it as my own, I'm
working on mine now. ;-)  (It's not going well at the moment, though.)

Kyle Stamper wrote:
> 
> Graham Redway wrote:
> >
> > You could just put a post in here asking nicely. You never know, I
> > sometimes have a computer spare that I could render your scene. What is
> > your computer?
> 
> I have a 486; it's about 6 years old :-( Plus it's the "family" computer
> so I can't have it always tied up because my parents usually want to
> check their e-mail etc.. Plus I'm working on an IRTC entry that has a
> fairly large mesh, lots of lights, and *media*. I've had a 320x240, no
> AA, and low media settings rendering going for 17.5 hours now and it's
> only 64% done. There's no way I'll be able to keep doing "test"
> renderings at this pace, and do the *final* rendering when I still have
> ALOT of things to add.
> 
> >If any of mine are significantly quicker I'll do it.
> 
> I really appreciate the offer, but it would be *way* too much hassle for
> you and myself because the scene file would be a big download (600k +)
> and I'm really just doing test renderings now, that's why I was hoping
> to find some sort of automated system so I could just poke along at my
> own pace. Thanks again though.
> 
>                 Kyle Stamper


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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: remote rendering?
Date: 19 Jul 1999 00:23:34
Message: <3792A819.8C7597A0@aol.com>
I agree 100%. A 1 Meg file wouldn't be "too much hassle" either really.
I have the same computer, less the PII and 128 Megs RAM (it's still a
233MHz).
That 17 and a half hours might be as little as a couple hours. So I'm
offering also. I understand though, your real problem is in those long
test renders that everyone probably suffers from; meaning a whole lot of
emails back and forth. That I may not be able to offer help with since I
would only be free to do a few of these at most without interference to
my regular routine.
Let's keep looking for that web site offering POV-Ray rendering (fee or
free).


Graham Redway wrote:
> 
> 600Kb files are fine for me. I'm running a PII233, 192Mb so if you need
> me to render your final scene the offers still open (I'd just leave it
> running over night.)
> 
>         Graham
> P.S. I wouldn't steal your IRTC entry and claim it as my own, I'm
> working on mine now. ;-)  (It's not going well at the moment, though.)
> 
> Kyle Stamper wrote:
> >
> > Graham Redway wrote:
> > >
> > > You could just put a post in here asking nicely. You never know, I
> > > sometimes have a computer spare that I could render your scene. What is
> > > your computer?
> >
> > I have a 486; it's about 6 years old :-( Plus it's the "family" computer
> > so I can't have it always tied up because my parents usually want to
> > check their e-mail etc.. Plus I'm working on an IRTC entry that has a
> > fairly large mesh, lots of lights, and *media*. I've had a 320x240, no
> > AA, and low media settings rendering going for 17.5 hours now and it's
> > only 64% done. There's no way I'll be able to keep doing "test"
> > renderings at this pace, and do the *final* rendering when I still have
> > ALOT of things to add.
> >
> > >If any of mine are significantly quicker I'll do it.
> >
> > I really appreciate the offer, but it would be *way* too much hassle for
> > you and myself because the scene file would be a big download (600k +)
> > and I'm really just doing test renderings now, that's why I was hoping
> > to find some sort of automated system so I could just poke along at my
> > own pace. Thanks again though.
> >
> >                 Kyle Stamper

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From: Ken
Subject: Re: remote rendering?
Date: 19 Jul 1999 00:26:52
Message: <3792A870.28EEC9E3@pacbell.net>
Bob Hughes wrote:

> Let's keep looking for that web site offering POV-Ray rendering (fee or
> free).

What we need is one of them college dudes with PVM set up on a cluster and
has too much time on his hands for this type of thing. I am sure there's a
bunch of those around. Yeah right ! :)

-- 
Ken Tyler
  
mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/links.htm


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From: Mark Wagner
Subject: Re: remote rendering?
Date: 19 Jul 1999 01:03:10
Message: <3792b18e@news.povray.org>
Ken wrote in message <3792A870.28EEC9E3@pacbell.net>...
>
>
>Bob Hughes wrote:
>
>> Let's keep looking for that web site offering POV-Ray rendering (fee or
>> free).
>
>What we need is one of them college dudes with PVM set up on a cluster and
>has too much time on his hands for this type of thing. I am sure there's a
>bunch of those around. Yeah right ! :)


I *might* be able to do this once the fall semester starts.

Mark


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From: Martin Crisp
Subject: Re: remote rendering?
Date: 19 Jul 1999 10:24:07
Message: <B3B97254-B964B@147.109.83.2>
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 2:42 PM, Mark Wagner <mailto:mar### [at] gtenet>
wrote:
>
>Ken wrote in message <3792A870.28EEC9E3@pacbell.net>...
>>
>>
>>Bob Hughes wrote:
>>
>>> Let's keep looking for that web site offering POV-Ray rendering (fee or
>>> free).
>>
>>What we need is one of them college dudes with PVM set up on a cluster
and
>>has too much time on his hands for this type of thing. I am sure there's
a
>>bunch of those around. Yeah right ! :)

Sigh, I once had the offer (indirectly so I didn't follow it through) of
some free time on a network of Solaris machines in the States... (Is there
a POV for distributed rendering on clusters of SMP Solaris?)

Ask someone here for space/time to develop:
fishbutt.fiver.net/site.html

Tell 'em an ugly tasmanian's uglier tasmanian friend sent you :-)
(Ask for Bob)

Have Fun
Martin
--
Owner/Operator - Tesseract Computing
<ringnose 'at' tesseract.com.au> or just reply.


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From: Kyle Stamper
Subject: Re: remote rendering?
Date: 19 Jul 1999 10:43:57
Message: <379338FC.C666801E@geocities.com>
*Sigh* well, here's the best I can find:

http://ditka.infolab.nwu.edu/home/THORNTON/proposal.html

It *Sounds* exactly like what I was hoping for, but it doesn't appear to
actually exist as far as I can tell. Why can't we add a rendering
service to the povray.org website? Now *that* would be cool. I guess I'm
giving up my search, for now at least. Thanks for all of your help.

	Kyle


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From: Thorsten Froehlich
Subject: Re: remote rendering?
Date: 19 Jul 1999 11:12:27
Message: <3793405b@news.povray.org>
In article <379338FC.C666801E@geocities.com> , Kyle Stamper 
<joe### [at] geocitiescom>  wrote:

>  Why can't we add a rendering
> service to the povray.org website?

So that the whole server and downloading files finally is slower again?  :-)


    Thorsten


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From: Kyle Stamper
Subject: Re: remote rendering?
Date: 19 Jul 1999 16:38:31
Message: <37938C14.F154F973@geocities.com>
oh yeah, I guess that wouldn't be too great eh? :-) 



Thorsten Froehlich wrote:
> 
> In article <379338FC.C666801E@geocities.com> , Kyle Stamper
> <joe### [at] geocitiescom>  wrote:
> 
> >  Why can't we add a rendering
> > service to the povray.org website?
> 
> So that the whole server and downloading files finally is slower again?  :-)
> 
>     Thorsten


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From: Tony Vigil
Subject: Re: remote rendering?
Date: 20 Jul 1999 15:26:12
Message: <3794CD4C.680A5903@emc-inc.com>
Bob Hughes wrote:

> Let's keep looking for that web site offering POV-Ray rendering (fee or
> free).

I've actually been looking into offering this type of service (plus high quality
inkjet printing) for the past 3 or 4 months.  I own six PII 300mhz with 128mb and
three Epson 1500 printers.

I am currently in the process of designing a cost structure.  The fees would
probably be based on a per pixel cost - based on the number of objects, lights &
media in a scene, and the use of radiosity, AA and/or special patched versions of
POVRAY.


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From: Dave Tucker
Subject: Re: remote rendering?
Date: 20 Jul 1999 19:09:13
Message: <3795008F.806AE8A2@altatech.com>
So, does anyone have any ideas on exactly how to do this under linux? 
I've been toying with the idea for some time now.  We periodically have
rather large Beowulf cluster to test and burn-in.  One of our standard
test jobs is to render a single scene with pvmpov in a never-ending loop
for about 48 hours.  (the scene usually renders in under 10 sec)  I
think it would be cool to set up a public render farm but I see some
problems.

1)  How can we handle bad scene files, and other errors? While we could
allocate the hardware for the project, we would have very little time to
administer it.  The whole thing would need to be automated.  I have a
real job to do. 

2)  How can we keep people from abusing it?  While some of these system
are quite powerful, (the last was a 64 node dual 450 MHz PIIs linked
with gigabit e-net) I'm sure someone could come up with a scene that
would bring it to its knees.

3)  Our local telco is REALLY dragging their feet on upgrading their
equipment.  As a result, we are currently stuck with a single 56k modem
for internet connections.  This should change soon.  But file size would
be a consideration.  I would like to do most of the email work at night
when no one is here.

4)  What do we get from it?  How do I get the boss to go for it?  One
thought I had was to allow us to use some of the images in demos.  I
guess there's always the "good will" thing.

5)  While we usually have at least an 8 node system up and running, the
larger systems are usually only here for a week or two before they are
shipped to the customers.  We need to be able to easily add and remove
nodes.  We don't have time to reconfigure much.  Again, it's not what I
get paid to do.

6)  I'm sure there are many more to consider......


	I'm willing to spend my own time on this, but seeing how I won't be
getting paid for it, there's a limit.  Besides, it could make for a cool
group project.  Let me know what you think.

dave






Kyle Stamper wrote:
> 
> I have a very old and slow computer. Is there anywhere I can upload pov
> scene files for rendering, then download the image when it's finished? I
> doubt if such a wonderful place exists, but it would sure be
> nice...*sigh*
> 
>         Kyle Stamper

-- 
David Tucker
dav### [at] altatechcom
http://www.altatech.com/


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