I see that you did. Thanks for finding them (the lat/lon).


Cliff Bowman wrote:
> 
> Well I'm pretty close to J.W. - if I could but figure out what my
> co-ordinates are.
>

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Yep, and very near the edge of the globe as shown in the map too. I tend to think of
the
New Zealanders when I see you way out there.
Thanks for sending your lat/lon btw, I had used Anchorages' itself before now.


Arthur Flint wrote:
> 
> Chris Maryan wrote:
> 
> > And while I'm ranting away... regarding TonyB's post about the isolated
> > POVer, the most isolated seem to be our friends in Panama, Singapore and
> > what I can only guess to be Macapa.
> >
> 
> What about Alaska, it only has one that wants to show themselves.
> Mr. Art

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Thanks Matthew, I've known of the oddity about those British Isles for some time now,
like since I used this latest Earth image, which is the strange thing about it. I
couldn't use the image as is when I first applied it, way off from what the supposed
mathematically correct latitudes and longitudes were showing. So there has been some
additional area (over ocean) added to improve upon the original. I don't know why
there
was ever any problem at all since I had thought the Earth image was a direct
representation of the real globe. Anyhow, all else appears to be aligning fairly well,
but England? It's like a terrible earthquake has shifted it toward the continent. I
haven't a good fix for this yet, I hate to think the coordinate numbers need a
subtraction by more than a degree and even worse the prospect of cut & pasting Great
Britain. Not a thing I like to do, playing god.
On this subject, anyone else seeing a significant shift in their map positions from
the
real?


Matthew Bennett wrote:
> 
> Great map - nice one :)
> 
> Though (heh, there's always one, sorry ;)
> ..the European map entries seem a little out of place?  There doesn't seem
> to be that many in, for example, the south-east of England (one of the most
> densely populated areas - including London, as well as where I live [and
> submitted]) doesn't seem to have anyone.  There does appear, however, to be
> at least a couple of people living 70 or so miles out at sea... one off the
> coast of Wales and another the coast of Ireland.
> 
> Now if the locations (for the UK at least) where shifted a little east and
> south - then not only would these people reach dry land again, but the
> south-east would look a bit more populated.  OK.. I know there population
> density doesn't necessarily have anything to do with where POV users
> "should" be.. but it just seemed to make a bit more sense when combined with
> the sea-people problem :)
> 
> OK.. so maybe I'm just being pedantic - either way, still a very well made
> and interesting map Bob :)
> 
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That would be a great thing, yes. The fact of overlapping dots as you pointed out
would
prevent a simple way to do that however, and I'm into simplistic things. The other
aspect is the resubmission concept which I don't see happening, but not altogether out
of the question. Same for the idea of sending the whole setup out to others, just that
why would two of these make sense seeing as how they would only begin to diverge with
any continuation of people joining in to separate maps.
Consider yourself added to the "inhabitants", complete with another dot on top of the
existing Berlin one.


"Lars W." wrote:
> 
> What about links to their website, if they have one and wan't to, when you
> click on theyr dot
> and by the way are theyr to dots in Berlin,Germany ? you can put me there to
> if you wan't.
> 
> greetings Lars
> http://www.snafu.de/~lars.wolter
> 
> Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
> 3772E7C3.74469EE9@aol.com...
> > http://members.aol.com/wrld0rigin/povwrldjpg.htm
> >
> > Please try to click on either, or both, North America and/or Europe for
> closeup views.
> > If you click elsewhere on one of the faces of the world you will go to the
> coordinate
> > submission page. Clicking on the title will take you to a current list of
> people.
> > Keep in mind there has been no new additions, if you haven't sent your
> location in,
> > please think about doing so.
> >
> > Thankyou.
> > Bob
> >
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My mistake. Ottawa is the marker you see NE of Toronto (or those double dots) and
there
are actually two markers there as I had said, so that is true anyway. Those two close
markers near or at Toronto is a mystery. I have searched this thing out and found
nothing to explain the second one. The other is Mississauga and should be correct.
Only
other marker position that comes close would be Buffalo New York, south of Lake
Ontario.


Bob wrote:
> 
> No, you're not seeing things. That's two (yes, 2) close neighbors of yours in
Ottawa.
> About the listing of persons and related info: despite some people willing to share
> their info I can't see it as feasible. Many did not leave email addresses for one
thing.
> I've thought this same thing over several times with the conclusion it is too messy
a
> proposition as is. It would either (1.) require a resubmittal/contact by all or (2.)
> only be partial info for sending out/posting. The prime importance would be the
> acquisition of everyones permission to redistribute. If I had the forethought to do
so I
> would have asked also for the right to hand over all of it to anyone else and I did
not.
> Sending it out to everyone with a supplied email address isn't totally out of the
> question I would think, I just hate the idea of trying that since part of the reason
> some people may have participated to begin with was due to a single person (me)
being
> sole caretaker of their information. I could be completely wrong, but hey like I
say,
> there isn't a reasonable way to find out or unless a partial set were to be done (or
> redone, as the case may be) and I'm not really doing any more than gathering and
> updating. Sorry folks, the main reason I'm putting it this way is due to other
things
> I've heard about people not wanting their personal info spread around, plus the fact
it
> would be another task to start sorting in a way altogether different from the
current
> one.
> The concept of internet technology demographics and the plotting on this particular
map
> is a interesting one. To me only some places make sense and others do not. Not only
> that, but the oddity (irony?) of some clusters of people very close to each other is
> moreso fascinating. We would probably have to see the exact cultural settings to
make a
> judgement. In my particular instance there are 3 locales plotted nearly in the same
> place (including myself) and it is a region where the NASA space program, among
other
> such high-tech things, are occupants also of this area. Yet I do not have any
ability to
> say a similar thing of other places.
> 
> Guess what... No. Okay, I'll tell you then. That Macapa, Brazil marker is an error.
Now
> talk about a lonely poor sole, non-existant even!
> Thankyou Chris M. for causing me to look it up. Turns out I had mistakenly switched
the
> latitude and longitude numbers for London, England. *blush* I am so ashamed! I would
> never have realized that if you hadn't brought it up and there was no email address
of
> the person it concerned, so sorry to you too, Londoner. Where ever you are J. W.,
there
> isn't another person besides you in London, yet). Luckily it appears to be shown
already
> marked (not really, just close by).
> 
> Chris Maryan wrote:
> >
> > On a related note: Bob, how about appending the list of names with
> > locations for those who don't mind. Or how about just a list of
> > coordinates for those interested in trying a pov map ourselves.
> >
> > And now for something completely different. Any thoughts as to whether
> > this map accurately represents the use of internet technologies?
> >
> > Speaking of which, what's up with the unexpected concentration around
> > Estonia and Finland?
> >
> > And while I'm ranting away... regarding TonyB's post about the isolated
> > POVer, the most isolated seem to be our friends in Panama, Singapore and
> > what I can only guess to be Macapa.
> >
> > I can't remember what my original reason to write this was, so I'll stop
> > now.
> >
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> > double dot or am I just seeing things)
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Chris Maryan wrote:
>
> Speaking of which, what's up with the unexpected concentration around
> Estonia and Finland?
> 

Why unexpected? That's THE CENTRE :)

Margus

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I find myself my fellow Estonian POVers peacefully floating in the Baltic Sea,
halfway between Tallinn and Helsinki. I'm not complaining - it's nice and warm.
Just get me out of there before autumn :)

Margus

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I can always try (to get you out of those icey winter waters), however it's a hit and
miss problem. If I add or subtract to that Earth image, for the spherical 'image_map',
it tends to throw other places off. I wish I knew what accuracy it was meant to have,
obviously not the choice for cartographers. As I've said, the math of the POV-Ray
coordinates really shouldn't be off, at least by any observable amount I should think.


Margus Ramst wrote:
> 
> I find myself my fellow Estonian POVers peacefully floating in the Baltic Sea,
> halfway between Tallinn and Helsinki. I'm not complaining - it's nice and warm.
> Just get me out of there before autumn :)
> 
> Margus

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On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 00:41:54 -0500, Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:

>I see that you did. Thanks for finding them (the lat/lon).
>
>
No problem. It was quite fun searching around for it actually :)

As for who appears to be just off the west coast of Ireland - I pity
the weather they must have :)


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On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 01:03:25 -0500, Bob <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:

[snip]
> Anyhow, all else appears to be aligning fairly well,
>but England? It's like a terrible earthquake has shifted it toward the continent. I
>haven't a good fix for this yet, I hate to think the coordinate numbers need a
>subtraction by more than a degree and even worse the prospect of cut & pasting Great
>Britain. Not a thing I like to do, playing god.


If you do have to resort to moving the UK - could you move us somewhat
south? I know the weather's pretty good here at the moment, but we
could do with a warmer average <g>


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