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Hi. I just wanted to check some things with you all. It's mainly about
the future of POV-Ray.
a) Is 3.5 coming out sometime this year?
b) Will 3.5 be an official SuperPatch, including Mr. Kopp's and others
stuff?
c) Will 4.0 be a complete rewrite of POV? If so,
d) Will 4.0 be rewritten for
1) speed purposes,
2) clean-up,
3) language changes (C++),
4) extended expandability (greater ease in features addition), or
5) all of the above and more?
e) If number 4 applies, then will it incorporate
1) an improved use of triangles (spherical heightfields, bend,
twist, etc.),
2) this
http://www.cg.tuwien.ac.at/research/rendering/csg-graphs/index.html
3) this http://kolos.math.uni.lodz.pl/~garusk/eng/povadds.htm
4) this http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/2143/povafx10.html
5) support for dxf, 3ds, and other popular formats (objects, not
scenes),
6) all of the above and more?
Thanks. I'm just kinda curious/anxious, and wondering if I'll ever be
able to work with POV (i.e. make money), or I'll have to go and learn 3D
Studio or Lightwave, or something like them, and leave POV as a hobby.
--
Anthony L. Bennett
http://welcome.to/TonyB
"From the land beyond beyond,
from the world past hope and fear..."
a) What movie does this come from?
b) Finish the sentence.
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As much as I love it, I don't think that POV is usable in professional
conditions that demand and value productivity. Programmes like Max or
Lightwave come with lots of bells, whistles and plugins that make the life
easier for the user, and cheaper for the user's client, and we all know how
hard it is to create good scenes with POV (doing it the hard way is part of
the fun actually). Just think that the AWSOME OCEAN PIC we've seen was
(probably) done with a plugin for Max and Lightwave. Doing this with POV
could be theoretically possible but would require an amount of work and
rendering time not compatible in a professional situation. I don't think
that even POV 4.0 is likely to change that situation (be sure that I ***
wish *** I'm mistaken).
I've worked now and then for clients with POV (and made very little money
out of it), but fortunately I was not asked to do the kind of stuff you can
see in the Max or Lightwave sites because I wouldn't have been able to do
them within an acceptable deadline, even with my 6 years of experience with
POV. And of course, the clients expect you to use the standard tools of the
trade. So my little piece of advice is : stick to POV for art & hobby, and
learn Max, LW or some other pro tool if you want to do pro work.
Gilles Tran
TonyB wrote:
> Thanks. I'm just kinda curious/anxious, and wondering if I'll ever be
> able to work with POV (i.e. make money), or I'll have to go and learn 3D
> Studio or Lightwave, or something like them, and leave POV as a hobby.
>
> --
> Anthony L. Bennett
> http://welcome.to/TonyB
>
> "From the land beyond beyond,
> from the world past hope and fear..."
>
> a) What movie does this come from?
> b) Finish the sentence.
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Thank you very much, Mr. Tran. Just one more question: How do you go about
finding clients? I had a guy at school offer me $0 to make a movie theater. I
said OK, learning experience, then afterwards he paid me $10. Have I already
had a client then? (=
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A client, yes, a good one, no ;-)
Word of mouth is very good for business I find...
--
Lance.
---
For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
Colorblind - http://listen.to/colorblind
TonyB wrote in message <373018D0.26D8F7FD@panama.phoenix.net>...
>Thank you very much, Mr. Tran. Just one more question: How do you go about
>finding clients? I had a guy at school offer me $0 to make a movie theater.
I
>said OK, learning experience, then afterwards he paid me $10. Have I
already
>had a client then? (=
>
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You beat me :) The first picture I ever sold was 2$. The second one was 2$ too.
OK, they are all faded by now, I presume. I'm not looking for clients, it is just
that sometimes I have been asked to do some work based on some already-made
pictures of mine, but the very few times this happened could hardly be considered
as a professional experience in the field of 3D design. Some teens in this group
(just ask Lance Birch) may actually know much more than me about this.
G.
TonyB wrote:
> Thank you very much, Mr. Tran. Just one more question: How do you go about
> finding clients? I had a guy at school offer me $0 to make a movie theater. I
> said OK, learning experience, then afterwards he paid me $10. Have I already
> had a client then? (=
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I'm definitely wouldn't consider myself a professional yet, but I've had a
little experience anyway... :) he he he
I've done the graphic design and network timer programming for an Internet
I'm now their system administrator (which isn't much fun... especially when
you're called in to fix a "problem" and get there to find out the hub's
power transformer cable has fallen out... ;-) LOL
If you want to see what that job involved, I've got an image of 1 of the 5
background screens I designed for them here: (I also did their screen
savers, menus etc etc)
http://members.xoom.com/lancebirch/Server.png (it's 524 Kb... I know I
know, big file, but it's got some fine lines in it and the JPEG, even on
100%, washes the detail right out making it look smudged...)
The idea was to create simple yet colourful screen backgrounds for each of
the terminals, all of which had their own unique colour scheme, and also
some room for desktop icons etc. They were very pleased with the results,
and I must say so am I. I've also done a few other little graphic design
jobs, but they didn't involve much 3D work.
Of course I envy Gilles for his amazing work with POV-Ray... :)
--
Lance.
---
For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
For a totally different experience, visit my Chroma Key Website:
Colorblind - http://listen.to/colorblind
Gilles Tran wrote in message <373034BC.15DDAE50@inapg.inra.fr>...
>You beat me :) The first picture I ever sold was 2$. The second one was 2$
too.
>OK, they are all faded by now, I presume. I'm not looking for clients, it
is just
>that sometimes I have been asked to do some work based on some already-made
>pictures of mine, but the very few times this happened could hardly be
considered
>as a professional experience in the field of 3D design. Some teens in this
group
>(just ask Lance Birch) may actually know much more than me about this.
>G.
>
>
>TonyB wrote:
>
>> Thank you very much, Mr. Tran. Just one more question: How do you go
about
>> finding clients? I had a guy at school offer me $0 to make a movie
theater. I
>> said OK, learning experience, then afterwards he paid me $10. Have I
already
>> had a client then? (=
>
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I'm sorry, but people seem to have gone in the wrong direction with this
one. Can someone post replies to the real core of this message? Thank you.
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First, I suggest searching this newsgroup for the message "Plans for 1999
(A word from our Sponsors)" posted by Ken Tyler on Dec 30, 1998. This
is a repost of a message by Chris Young, the POV-Ray team coordinator.
However, I will try to quickly answer some questions.
TonyB wrote:
>
> Hi. I just wanted to check some things with you all. It's mainly about
> the future of POV-Ray.
>
> a) Is 3.5 coming out sometime this year?
I've heard this. Nothing is ever for sure, of course. ;-)
> b) Will 3.5 be an official SuperPatch, including Mr. Kopp's and others
> stuff?
Probably not the photon mapping. Other stuff: yes (with further
enhancements).
> c) Will 4.0 be a complete rewrite of POV? If so,
Looks that way.
> d) Will 4.0 be rewritten for
> 1) speed purposes,
probably
> 2) clean-up,
definately
> 3) language changes (C++),
yes. C++ is the new language (see message mentioned above)
> 4) extended expandability (greater ease in features addition), or
yes
> 5) all of the above and more?
> e) If number 4 applies, then will it incorporate
> 1) an improved use of triangles (spherical heightfields, bend,
> twist, etc.),
I doubt it. If somebody codes it as a user patch it might.
> 2) this
> http://www.cg.tuwien.ac.at/research/rendering/csg-graphs/index.html
Again, if there is enough demand or somebody codes it.
> 3) this http://kolos.math.uni.lodz.pl/~garusk/eng/povadds.htm
> 4) this http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/2143/povafx10.html
Probably not. This was pre-halo. And halo was replaced by media.
> 5) support for dxf, 3ds, and other popular formats (objects, not
> scenes),
probably not. 3rd-party converters fit more with the way POV works.
POV 3.5 should have a new mesh syntax which is much smaller than the
current one and will also support UV mapping, so objects from 3ds and
other formats can be converted completely (with textures... you can
already do this with a combination of UVPov and 3ds2pov).
-Nathan
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Thank you very much Mr. Kopp for your brief and adequate response. God Bless
You (=
BTW, are you sure your photon patch won't get in? A friend of mine is getting
himself 3d studio max r3 with Mental Ray, and it does some nice caustics. It
would be a pity to not be able to keep up with him.
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On Tue, 04 May 1999 14:36:53 -0400, TonyB
<ben### [at] panama phoenixnet> wrote:
>Hi. I just wanted to check some things with you all. It's mainly about
>the future of POV-Ray.
I see Nathan has already answered your questions. For reference:
Chris Young's official announcement is also posted in
povray.announce.frequently-asked-questions group. The post is
entitled, "POV-Ray plans for version 3.1 and beyond...".
This group is also a good place to check for future updated
announcements from the POV-Team.
When v3.5 is near its release date (which will be when it will be) a
new post will be made in the p.a.f-a-q group with a list of changes
from the previous versions.
--
Alan
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