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From: Jim Kress
Subject: Apparent violation of POV Legal
Date: 5 Jan 1999 17:15:51
Message: <36928f17.0@news.povray.org>
Were you aware of this commercial use to which your code is being put?


"HyperChem Raytrace
HyperChem Raytrace, together with POV-Ray (a freely available raytracing
package), provides facilities for producing high quality ray-traced
molecular images from HyperChem. HyperChem Raytrace uses DDE communication
with HyperChem to produce input *.POV files for POV-Ray. In order to use
HyperChem Raytrace to produce raytraced images, you must also install
POV-Ray, which is supplied with the distribution of ChemPlus."

Follow this link for more info

http://www.hyper.com/products/description/chemplus_features.html


Jim Kress


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From: Mike
Subject: Re: Apparent violation of POV Legal
Date: 5 Jan 1999 23:34:32
Message: <3692E754.E105B56@aol.com>
At first glance it looked to be OK, but then I notice that instead of
saying POV-Ray is free, they say it's freely available.  Hmm...also left
out where to get it.

So I think you might have found something, but note that using POV-Ray
commercially is not against the rules.  It's selling it or using it to
sell another product without notifying people of it's free nature that
is.  This company isn't quite following the POV legal very closely it
would seem.

-Mike

Jim Kress wrote:
> 
> Were you aware of this commercial use to which your code is being put?
> 
> "HyperChem Raytrace
> HyperChem Raytrace, together with POV-Ray (a freely available raytracing
> package), provides facilities for producing high quality ray-traced
> molecular images from HyperChem. HyperChem Raytrace uses DDE communication
> with HyperChem to produce input *.POV files for POV-Ray. In order to use
> HyperChem Raytrace to produce raytraced images, you must also install
> POV-Ray, which is supplied with the distribution of ChemPlus."
> 
> Follow this link for more info
> 
> http://www.hyper.com/products/description/chemplus_features.html
> 
> Jim Kress


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From: Mark Gordon
Subject: Re: Apparent violation of POV Legal
Date: 6 Jan 1999 08:37:01
Message: <3693697D.B7B6DDFF@mailbag.com>
As I see it, they're selling their software and supplying POV-Ray with the
software, which suggests that they sell POV-Ray as part of the package.

-Mark Gordon

Mike wrote:

> At first glance it looked to be OK, but then I notice that instead of
> saying POV-Ray is free, they say it's freely available.  Hmm...also left
> out where to get it.
>
> So I think you might have found something, but note that using POV-Ray
> commercially is not against the rules.  It's selling it or using it to
> sell another product without notifying people of it's free nature that
> is.  This company isn't quite following the POV legal very closely it
> would seem.
>
> -Mike
>
> Jim Kress wrote:
> >
> > Were you aware of this commercial use to which your code is being put?
> >
> > "HyperChem Raytrace
> > HyperChem Raytrace, together with POV-Ray (a freely available raytracing
> > package), provides facilities for producing high quality ray-traced
> > molecular images from HyperChem. HyperChem Raytrace uses DDE communication
> > with HyperChem to produce input *.POV files for POV-Ray. In order to use
> > HyperChem Raytrace to produce raytraced images, you must also install
> > POV-Ray, which is supplied with the distribution of ChemPlus."
> >
> > Follow this link for more info
> >
> > http://www.hyper.com/products/description/chemplus_features.html
> >
> > Jim Kress


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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: Apparent violation of POV Legal
Date: 6 Jan 1999 09:19:48
Message: <36937104.0@news.povray.org>
That's what I took it as, so maybe they are in breach...  In which case.
SICK EM!!!  Just kidding, it's a hard one to decided, but I agree, it does
look like they're supplying it in a manner which would suggest it's part of
the package.

--
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From: Ron Parker
Subject: Re: Apparent violation of POV Legal
Date: 6 Jan 1999 14:39:04
Message: <3693bbd8.0@news.povray.org>
On Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:56:27 -0700, Twyst <twy### [at] twystednet> wrote:
>
>Mike wrote in message <369### [at] aolcom>...
>>At first glance it looked to be OK, but then I notice that instead of
>>saying POV-Ray is free, they say it's freely available.  Hmm...also left
>>out where to get it.
>>
>>So I think you might have found something, but note that using POV-Ray
>>commercially is not against the rules.  It's selling it or using it to
>>sell another product without notifying people of it's free nature that
>>is.  This company isn't quite following the POV legal very closely it
>>would seem.
>>
>
>As well.. note the "DDE" interaction comment... DDE is NOT supported by
>Pov-Ray.. so it appears that they modified it as well.

No, DDE is used to communicate between their two components, if I read it
correctly.  As I see it, there are two problems here; three if they didn't
obtain explicit permission from the POV-Team.

(1) The inclusion of POV-Ray should be promoted only as a free bonus and 
not as a feature designed to encourage customers to purchase or upgrade 
solely for the POV-Ray capability. 

(2)Include clear and obvious information on how to obtain the official 
POV-Ray. 

But this isn't really our problem.  Whoever posted the original message 
should bring it to the attention of Chris Young, including URLs and other
contact information if available, and then forget about it and let him
decide what to do with it.


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From: Jim Kress
Subject: Re: Apparent violation of POV Legal
Date: 6 Jan 1999 15:58:51
Message: <3693ce8b.0@news.povray.org>
If I had his e-mail address I'd be happy to do that.

Jim

Ron Parker wrote in message <3693bbd8.0@news.povray.org>...

<snip>
>
>But this isn't really our problem.  Whoever posted the original message
>should bring it to the attention of Chris Young, including URLs and other
>contact information if available, and then forget about it and let him
>decide what to do with it.


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From: Jim Kress
Subject: Re: Apparent violation of POV Legal
Date: 6 Jan 1999 16:11:47
Message: <3693d193.0@news.povray.org>
Thanks Ken!

Jim

Jim Kress wrote in message <3693ce8b.0@news.povray.org>...
>If I had his e-mail address I'd be happy to do that.
>
>Jim
>
>Ron Parker wrote in message <3693bbd8.0@news.povray.org>...
>
><snip>
>>
>>But this isn't really our problem.  Whoever posted the original message
>>should bring it to the attention of Chris Young, including URLs and other
>>contact information if available, and then forget about it and let him
>>decide what to do with it.
>
>


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From: Graham Redway
Subject: Re: Apparent violation of POV Legal
Date: 9 Jan 1999 18:52:50
Message: <3697EB3E.2D48C515@compuserve.com>
Jim Kress wrote:

> If I had his e-mail address I'd be happy to do that.

  Chris Young is aware of the problem, he was notified of it through the
Compuserve forum and had asked the offending material to be reworded.

        Graham Redway.


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