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From: Nieminen Mika
Subject: Re: Pov-help
Date: 5 Jul 1998 16:11:06
Message: <359fcfca.0@news.povray.org>
Guy Rauscher <rau### [at] netvisionnetil> wrote:
: Maybe someone (maybe even myself if I find the time) could write a
: little program to convert between HTML or something to something similar
: to the pov-help system, which must also be created by that someone.

  I have understood that the pov-help program just reads a help file. It
should be enough to make a html to pov-help file format converter... or
something like that.

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From: Guy Rauscher
Subject: Re: Pov-help
Date: 5 Jul 1998 17:22:33
Message: <35A07A6C.27EE@netvision.net.il>
Basically, it should, but I don't know the format and besides I remember
that it had bugs here and there. It might be better to create a whole
new program altogether. But then again, its the choise of whoever does
it.


Nieminen Mika wrote:
> 
> Guy Rauscher <rau### [at] netvisionnetil> wrote:
> : Maybe someone (maybe even myself if I find the time) could write a
> : little program to convert between HTML or something to something similar
> : to the pov-help system, which must also be created by that someone.
> 
>   I have understood that the pov-help program just reads a help file. It
> should be enough to make a html to pov-help file format converter... or
> something like that.
> 
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From: Ronald L  Parker
Subject: Re: Pov-help
Date: 5 Jul 1998 23:47:24
Message: <35a03754.4126117@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 06 Jul 1998 00:19:08 -0700, Guy Rauscher
<rau### [at] netvisionnetil> wrote:

>Basically, it should, but I don't know the format and besides I remember
>that it had bugs here and there. It might be better to create a whole
>new program altogether. But then again, its the choise of whoever does
>it.

How about Lynx?


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From: povray org admin team
Subject: Re: Pov-help
Date: 6 Jul 1998 00:58:48
Message: <35a04b27.64602503@news.povray.org>
It comes down to time. Members of the POV-Team have very limited time available
to them and we had to find a better way to do docs. If we had to spend more
time fiddling around with documentation converters we'd have less time to put
features into POV-Ray.


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From: Fabien Mosen
Subject: Re: Pov-help
Date: 6 Jul 1998 08:18:54
Message: <35a0b29e.0@news.povray.org>
In article <35A### [at] netvisionnetil>, rau### [at] netvisionnetil says...
>
>Maybe someone (maybe even myself if I find the time) could write a
>little program to convert between HTML or something to something similar
>to the pov-help system, which must also be created by that someone.
>
>Guy

Pov-Help sources and format specs are freely avaliable, if I remember correct,
so, if someone(s) wants to unofficially continue to support it, it could be 
done...


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From: Nieminen Mika
Subject: Re: Pov-help
Date: 6 Jul 1998 08:34:59
Message: <35a0b663.0@news.povray.org>
povray.org admin team <new### [at] DESPAMpovrayorg> wrote:
: It comes down to time. Members of the POV-Team have very limited time available
: to them and we had to find a better way to do docs. If we had to spend more
: time fiddling around with documentation converters we'd have less time to put
: features into POV-Ray.

  Yes, I understand that.
  I'm sorry about the complaining. I know it's not fair to demand something
like this since you all are making a great job with povray itself.
  But the lack of the pov-help program is a big deprivation to me. The
program has two very useful features: it's a hypertext-like viewer, which
makes it very easy to find help about something, and definitely the best
feature (at least to me as a DOS user) is the popup-property by pressing
a hotkey combination (like alt-esc in my case) during editing. It's an
extremely useful feature that you just put the cursor over the keyword
you want to see help about in your text editor and press alt-esc and then
the help pops up.
  I am a DOS user because I just can't afford a machine which can run win95
or whatever. That's the reason why I make all the povray editing in DOS.
With pov-help and qedit it's very handy. It's a lot like the borland c and
pascal dos-editors (where you can press ctrl-F1 to pop up help about a
keyword) which I like a lot.
  Now all the help is just one text file. It's really heavy to read and
qedit is unable to load it entirely (it still has the damned 640k limitation).
Also searching help about a specific keyword is a lot more difficult.
  A partial solution should be to download the windows help file and read it
with windows 3.1, but that doesn't solve the problem about the lack of a
handy online help which you can just pop up when the cursor is over the word
you want to see help. And besides, "povraying" under win3 is just a pain.

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From: Nieminen Mika
Subject: Re: Pov-help
Date: 6 Jul 1998 08:40:08
Message: <35a0b798.0@news.povray.org>
Fabien Mosen <Mos### [at] belgiumonlinebe> wrote:
: Pov-Help sources and format specs are freely avaliable, if I remember correct,
: so, if someone(s) wants to unofficially continue to support it, it could be 
: done...

  I would be really happy! :)

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From: Guy Rauscher
Subject: Re: Pov-help
Date: 6 Jul 1998 10:34:39
Message: <35A16C5C.5E75@netvision.net.il>
Fabien Mosen wrote:
> 
> In article <35A### [at] netvisionnetil>, rau### [at] netvisionnetil says...
> >
> >Maybe someone (maybe even myself if I find the time) could write a
> >little program to convert between HTML or something to something similar
> >to the pov-help system, which must also be created by that someone.
> >
> >Guy
> 
> Pov-Help sources and format specs are freely avaliable, if I remember correct,
> so, if someone(s) wants to unofficially continue to support it, it could be
> done...

Where can I find the Pov-Help format spec?


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From: Fabien Mosen
Subject: Re: Pov-help
Date: 7 Jul 1998 13:39:20
Message: <35a24f38.0@news.povray.org>
>Where can I find the Pov-Help format spec?

I'm gonna ask them on Cserve; will inform the newsgroup later.


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From: Alain CULOS
Subject: Re: Pov-help
Date: 7 Jul 1998 19:10:50
Message: <359FBF7A.94B8FAFC@bigfoot.com>
Hi,

DOS itself is meant to die sometime, even though it stays there in the shadow of
Windows.
I though people without any means to buy Windows or Unix could get their hands
onto Linux (a very good freeware Unix like OS). Of course, this system involves a
bit of time to get used to and to set up, and it does help to know what Unix is
in the first place, but still I think it is possible without too much hassle to
get it and instal it - a 6 CD box with different versions, including RedHat,
SlackWare, mac ports, ... only cost me approx US$ 20 and a week-end to install.
You can also download it off the net if you are patient enough. I think the basic
version is something like 30 MB and the full version (which you really don't
need) approx 110 MB. The basic version installed takes up in the region of 50 to
70 MB I believe.

Cheers,
Al.


Nieminen Mika wrote:

> People like me, without any chance to buy a machine with win95 or unix, will
> not be able to use povray anymore.
>   Will this end this way?
>
>   I really need the POV-Help program. I can't live without it. Please...

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