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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Sky simulation
Date: 7 Mar 2018 15:59:03
Message: <5aa05297$1@news.povray.org>


> BTW has anyone heard or seen a ruler where feet are divided into tenths?
> Giving the impression that there are 10 "X inches" to a foot.
> I saw one once about 30 years ago.
> 
> 

Not feet into tenth, but with inches divided into 1/5, 1/10, 1/3, 1/6, 
1/9 and 1/12.
I've seen one with foot divided into 1/3 and 1/4.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Sky simulation
Date: 7 Mar 2018 16:44:16
Message: <5aa05d30$1@news.povray.org>
On 07/03/2018 21:00, Alain wrote:

> 
>> BTW has anyone heard or seen a ruler where feet are divided into tenths?
>> Giving the impression that there are 10 "X inches" to a foot.
>> I saw one once about 30 years ago.
>>
>>
> 
> Not feet into tenth, but with inches divided into 1/5, 1/10, 1/3, 1/6, 
> 1/9 and 1/12.
> I've seen one with foot divided into 1/3 and 1/4.

I think it might be industry specific rule.
About 30 years ago. My boss, offshore, took some measurements in the 
toolpusher's office using a rule he found there. After getting whatever 
it was made. It did not fit. He got a bit of a slagging for it. As you 
would. ;-)
He went back up to check only to find that there was 10 "inches" to the 
foot.
Drillers use some strange terms. The anchor chain tension is measured in 
Kilo-pound-inches. I had never heard of that measurement before I had to 
calibrate the load sensors.

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     Stephen


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From: Mike Horvath
Subject: Re: Sky simulation
Date: 7 Mar 2018 18:29:09
Message: <5aa075c5$1@news.povray.org>
On 3/7/2018 7:21 AM, Stephen wrote:
> Now, I would be surprised if people in the UK did not know that. I guess 
> I was about 15 or 16 when I was taught it at school.
> But as a rule of thumb that an inch is about the length of your thumb's 
> distal phalanx. Is good enough for children as they more resemble the 
> size of an adult of bygone years.
> 
> BTW has anyone heard or seen a ruler where feet are divided into tenths?
> Giving the impression that there are 10 "X inches" to a foot.
> I saw one once about 30 years ago.
> 
> 

I have a triangular drafting ruler that is like that.


Mike


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Sky simulation
Date: 8 Mar 2018 02:54:47
Message: <5aa0ec47$1@news.povray.org>
On 7-3-2018 22:44, Stephen wrote:
> On 07/03/2018 21:00, Alain wrote:

>>
>>> BTW has anyone heard or seen a ruler where feet are divided into tenths?
>>> Giving the impression that there are 10 "X inches" to a foot.
>>> I saw one once about 30 years ago.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Not feet into tenth, but with inches divided into 1/5, 1/10, 1/3, 1/6, 
>> 1/9 and 1/12.
>> I've seen one with foot divided into 1/3 and 1/4.
> 
> I think it might be industry specific rule.
> About 30 years ago. My boss, offshore, took some measurements in the 
> toolpusher's office using a rule he found there. After getting whatever 
> it was made. It did not fit. He got a bit of a slagging for it. As you 
> would. ;-)
> He went back up to check only to find that there was 10 "inches" to the 
> foot.
> Drillers use some strange terms. The anchor chain tension is measured in 
> Kilo-pound-inches. I had never heard of that measurement before I had to 
> calibrate the load sensors.
> 

Interesting story. "kilo-pound-inches", could that mean 'thousand pounds 
per inch'? the word kilo being used for the thousand's value?

-- 
Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Sky simulation
Date: 8 Mar 2018 03:25:10
Message: <5aa0f366$1@news.povray.org>
On 08/03/2018 07:54, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 7-3-2018 22:44, Stephen wrote:

>> Drillers use some strange terms. The anchor chain tension is measured 
>> in Kilo-pound-inches. I had never heard of that measurement before I 
>> had to calibrate the load sensors.
>>
> 
> Interesting story. "kilo-pound-inches", could that mean 'thousand pounds 
> per inch'? the word kilo being used for the thousand's value?
> 

Yes kilo is a multiplier and since it is a unit of work it should have 
been KIP, kilo inch pounds which is 112.98 Nm.
I got kpi stuck in my head. :-)

For something so important the transmitter was a simple op amp. Check 
the zero and span against the supplied load cell manufacturers data 
sheet. Easy peasy. :-)


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     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Sky simulation
Date: 8 Mar 2018 04:04:27
Message: <5aa0fc9b@news.povray.org>
On 8-3-2018 9:25, Stephen wrote:
> On 08/03/2018 07:54, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 7-3-2018 22:44, Stephen wrote:
> 
>>> Drillers use some strange terms. The anchor chain tension is measured 
>>> in Kilo-pound-inches. I had never heard of that measurement before I 
>>> had to calibrate the load sensors.
>>>
>>
>> Interesting story. "kilo-pound-inches", could that mean 'thousand 
>> pounds per inch'? the word kilo being used for the thousand's value?
>>
> 
> Yes kilo is a multiplier and since it is a unit of work it should have 
> been KIP, kilo inch pounds which is 112.98 Nm.
> I got kpi stuck in my head. :-)
> 
> For something so important the transmitter was a simple op amp. Check 
> the zero and span against the supplied load cell manufacturers data 
> sheet. Easy peasy. :-)
> 

Easy peasy indeed. I imagine the guys calibrating those data sheets: 
"Hey John! Lets give it a pound more!"  BANG!  ;-)

I am always surprised that we got to the Moon at all, or Mars for that 
matter, where we were able to crash at least once because of 
imperial/metrics confusion... ;-)

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Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Sky simulation
Date: 8 Mar 2018 04:34:24
Message: <5aa103a0$1@news.povray.org>
On 08/03/2018 09:04, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 8-3-2018 9:25, Stephen wrote:
>> On 08/03/2018 07:54, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 7-3-2018 22:44, Stephen wrote:
>>
>>>> Drillers use some strange terms. The anchor chain tension is 
>>>> measured in Kilo-pound-inches. I had never heard of that measurement 
>>>> before I had to calibrate the load sensors.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting story. "kilo-pound-inches", could that mean 'thousand 
>>> pounds per inch'? the word kilo being used for the thousand's value?
>>>
>>
>> Yes kilo is a multiplier and since it is a unit of work it should have 
>> been KIP, kilo inch pounds which is 112.98 Nm.
>> I got kpi stuck in my head. :-)
>>
>> For something so important the transmitter was a simple op amp. Check 
>> the zero and span against the supplied load cell manufacturers data 
>> sheet. Easy peasy. :-)
>>
> 
> Easy peasy indeed. I imagine the guys calibrating those data sheets: 

> 

More likely Pop. The materials used are designed to take the weight and 
are over rated.


> I am always surprised that we got to the Moon at all, or Mars for that 
> matter, where we were able to crash at least once because of 
> imperial/metrics confusion... ;-)
> 

Big mistake mixing units. I may think in imperial but work in metric 
when I can.

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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Sky simulation
Date: 8 Mar 2018 07:23:21
Message: <5aa12b39$1@news.povray.org>
On 8-3-2018 10:34, Stephen wrote:
> On 08/03/2018 09:04, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 8-3-2018 9:25, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 08/03/2018 07:54, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> On 7-3-2018 22:44, Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Drillers use some strange terms. The anchor chain tension is 
>>>>> measured in Kilo-pound-inches. I had never heard of that 
>>>>> measurement before I had to calibrate the load sensors.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Interesting story. "kilo-pound-inches", could that mean 'thousand 
>>>> pounds per inch'? the word kilo being used for the thousand's value?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes kilo is a multiplier and since it is a unit of work it should 
>>> have been KIP, kilo inch pounds which is 112.98 Nm.
>>> I got kpi stuck in my head. :-)
>>>
>>> For something so important the transmitter was a simple op amp. Check 
>>> the zero and span against the supplied load cell manufacturers data 
>>> sheet. Easy peasy. :-)
>>>
>>
>> Easy peasy indeed. I imagine the guys calibrating those data sheets: 

>>
> 
> More likely Pop. The materials used are designed to take the weight and 
> are over rated.

Sad. I would like a bit of drama ;-)

> 
> 
>> I am always surprised that we got to the Moon at all, or Mars for that 
>> matter, where we were able to crash at least once because of 
>> imperial/metrics confusion... ;-)
>>
> 
> Big mistake mixing units. I may think in imperial but work in metric 
> when I can.
> 

smart. But then you grew up with imperial of course. I find it difficult 
(not that I need it).

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Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Sky simulation
Date: 8 Mar 2018 08:26:33
Message: <5aa13a09@news.povray.org>
On 08/03/2018 12:23, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 8-3-2018 10:34, Stephen wrote:

>>>>
>>>
>>> Easy peasy indeed. I imagine the guys calibrating those data sheets: 

>>>
>>
>> More likely Pop. The materials used are designed to take the weight 
>> and are over rated.
> 
> Sad. I would like a bit of drama ;-)
> 

Your slightest wish is my command.

https://youtu.be/CjzykTQM-4w?t=78

A similar incident happened on the platform I was on. Unfortunately the 
crane driver was not so lucky. He got trapped in the cabin for hours and 
lost a foot and part of his lower leg.

>>
>>
>>> I am always surprised that we got to the Moon at all, or Mars for 
>>> that matter, where we were able to crash at least once because of 
>>> imperial/metrics confusion... ;-)
>>>
>>
>> Big mistake mixing units. I may think in imperial but work in metric 
>> when I can.
>>
> 
> smart. But then you grew up with imperial of course. I find it difficult 
> (not that I need it).
> 

It is difficult and took years of repetition before it became second 
nature. But after learning things like there are 5280 ft in a mile and 
60 mph is 88 ft/s. Not to mention the currency. The metric system is a 
walk in the park.
Also we oldies can add up in our head. Unlike the youth of today.


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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Sky simulation
Date: 8 Mar 2018 08:38:18
Message: <5aa13cca$1@news.povray.org>
On 08/03/2018 13:26, Stephen wrote:
> Your slightest wish is my command.
> 
> https://youtu.be/CjzykTQM-4w?t=78

I just noticed a follow up video.
The cage the guys are in is galled a Billy Pugh and you are supposed to 
stand on the outside so you don't get trapped if it goes into the sea. I 
used them for my one trip on the Piper. A white knuckle job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD8y7Slx2ow


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Regards
     Stephen


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