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From: Kirk Andrews
Subject: Re: Tracing the path of streams
Date: 23 Feb 2017 10:15:01
Message: <web.58aefbe8bd8ebaffd61e8dc40@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Overall, I think that version 4 is doing a good job and solves the
> problem of version 3. The attached image demonstrates that. Never mind
> the columns for supporting the sky ;-) Those are little troubles at the
> height_field's edges.
>
> --
> Thomas

Nice work, Thomas!

Would you be willing to share some of your eroded landscape height maps?


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From: omniverse
Subject: Re: Tracing the path of streams
Date: 23 Feb 2017 16:05:00
Message: <web.58af4e45bd8ebaff9c5d6c810@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> On 22-2-2017 13:17, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> > This version does interesting things, different from the previous one.

Fascinating stuff, as I watch fervently from the sidelines.

Has me wondering if erosion could be accomplished via difference {} using
likewise cone+sphere stream/lake creation method.

Bob


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Tracing the path of streams
Date: 24 Feb 2017 02:46:59
Message: <58afe4f3$1@news.povray.org>
On 23-2-2017 22:04, omniverse wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> On 22-2-2017 13:17, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> This version does interesting things, different from the previous one.
>
> Fascinating stuff, as I watch fervently from the sidelines.
>
> Has me wondering if erosion could be accomplished via difference {} using
> likewise cone+sphere stream/lake creation method.
>

You have had the same thought as I! This should not be too difficult to 
do in principle. Something to explore...


-- 
Thomas


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From: Mr
Subject: Re: Tracing the path of streams
Date: 24 Feb 2017 05:10:00
Message: <web.58b005f3bd8ebaff16086ed00@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> On 23-2-2017 22:04, omniverse wrote:
> > Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> >> On 22-2-2017 13:17, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> >>> This version does interesting things, different from the previous one.
> >
> > Fascinating stuff, as I watch fervently from the sidelines.
> >
> > Has me wondering if erosion could be accomplished via difference {} using
> > likewise cone+sphere stream/lake creation method.
> >
>
> You have had the same thought as I! This should not be too difficult to
> do in principle. Something to explore...
>
>
> --
> Thomas

Indeed I hope so, erosion really adds so much to a procedural landscape!


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From: Kirk Andrews
Subject: Re: Tracing the path of streams
Date: 24 Feb 2017 09:30:00
Message: <web.58b042f1bd8ebaffd61e8dc40@news.povray.org>
"omniverse" <omn### [at] charternet> wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> > On 22-2-2017 13:17, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> > > This version does interesting things, different from the previous one.
>
> Fascinating stuff, as I watch fervently from the sidelines.
>
> Has me wondering if erosion could be accomplished via difference {} using
> likewise cone+sphere stream/lake creation method.
>
> Bob

Looks like that was something I was trying out, back in 2008. Looks like I was
rendering out a flat image of just the rivers to be subtracted from the height
map image.


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From: omniverse
Subject: Re: Tracing the path of streams
Date: 24 Feb 2017 15:05:01
Message: <web.58b0918fbd8ebaff9c5d6c810@news.povray.org>
"Kirk Andrews" <kir### [at] tektonartcom> wrote:
> "omniverse" <omn### [at] charternet> wrote:
> >
> > Has me wondering if erosion could be accomplished via difference {} using
> > likewise cone+sphere stream/lake creation method.
>
> Looks like that was something I was trying out, back in 2008. Looks like I was
> rendering out a flat image of just the rivers to be subtracted from the height
> map image.
Sure does mess with my eyes! I turned it upside down, sideways too, and those
shadows just wouldn't get right for me.

Maybe I'm seeing it wrong but the tributaries appear to begin or end at the
lower elevations with pooling water at the higher elevations.

Does give the appearance of eroded ground anyhow regardless of how I see it.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Tracing the path of streams
Date: 25 Feb 2017 02:53:56
Message: <58b13814$1@news.povray.org>
On 24-2-2017 15:28, Kirk Andrews wrote:
> "omniverse" <omn### [at] charternet> wrote:
>> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>>> On 22-2-2017 13:17, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> This version does interesting things, different from the previous one.
>>
>> Fascinating stuff, as I watch fervently from the sidelines.
>>
>> Has me wondering if erosion could be accomplished via difference {} using
>> likewise cone+sphere stream/lake creation method.
>>
>> Bob
>
> Looks like that was something I was trying out, back in 2008. Looks like I was
> rendering out a flat image of just the rivers to be subtracted from the height
> map image.
>

The water seems to be above the surface. Also, stream patterns do not 
take the underlying landscape into account, with patterns happily 
crossing peaks. I guess that the pattern was not derived from this 
particular landscape but was just superposed on it for testing's sake. 
Using a flow map generated from a particular landscape that would be 
possible to do indeed. Wilbur, amongst others, can make such maps.

-- 
Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Tracing the path of streams
Date: 25 Feb 2017 04:06:48
Message: <58b14928@news.povray.org>
On 23-2-2017 16:12, Kirk Andrews wrote:
> Would you be willing to share some of your eroded landscape height maps?
>

They can be found now in p.b.misc. I had to convert them from tga to png 
in order to reduce the size. But they work the same.

There was one example of a degenerate cylinder crashing the scene. Some 
control on the hf margins seems to be necessary.

-- 
Thomas


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Tracing the path of streams
Date: 25 Feb 2017 04:29:27
Message: <58b14e77$1@news.povray.org>
Am 25.02.2017 um 08:53 schrieb Thomas de Groot:

> The water seems to be above the surface. Also, stream patterns do not
> take the underlying landscape into account, with patterns happily
> crossing peaks. I guess that the pattern was not derived from this
> particular landscape but was just superposed on it for testing's sake.
> Using a flow map generated from a particular landscape that would be
> possible to do indeed. Wilbur, amongst others, can make such maps.

No, the image is ok. It's just surprisingly difficult to flip your brain
in the right direction, if you know what I mean.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Tracing the path of streams
Date: 25 Feb 2017 07:16:59
Message: <58b175bb$1@news.povray.org>
On 25-2-2017 10:29, clipka wrote:
> Am 25.02.2017 um 08:53 schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>
>> The water seems to be above the surface. Also, stream patterns do not
>> take the underlying landscape into account, with patterns happily
>> crossing peaks. I guess that the pattern was not derived from this
>> particular landscape but was just superposed on it for testing's sake.
>> Using a flow map generated from a particular landscape that would be
>> possible to do indeed. Wilbur, amongst others, can make such maps.
>
> No, the image is ok. It's just surprisingly difficult to flip your brain
> in the right direction, if you know what I mean.
>

I am not convinced. There is something absolutely wrong comparing the HF 
shadows and the stream shadows. It would certainly help to convince me 
if the camera view point was lower. ;-)

-- 
Thomas


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