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From: Mike Horvath
Subject: Re: 3D images (for Mike Horvath)
Date: 12 Mar 2016 00:56:06
Message: <56e3af76$1@news.povray.org>
Did I mess up these two images?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/108839565@N04/25050132394/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/108839565@N04/25654484906/in/dateposted-public/

I've been using StereoPhoto Maker with default settings and the images 
are mainly just giving me a headache instead of appearing 3D.


Mike


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From: StephenS
Subject: Re: 3D images (for Mike Horvath)
Date: 12 Mar 2016 06:58:21
Message: <56e4045d$1@news.povray.org>
On 12/03/2016 12:56 AM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> Did I mess up these two images?
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/108839565@N04/25050132394/in/dateposted-public/
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/108839565@N04/25654484906/in/dateposted-public/
>
>
> I've been using StereoPhoto Maker with default settings and the images
> are mainly just giving me a headache instead of appearing 3D.
>
>
> Mike
It looks like your offset is to strong.
I use about 25-30 to 1.
25 units from camera to object, 1 unit camera offset between pictures.

Stephen S


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: 3D images (for Mike Horvath)
Date: 12 Mar 2016 11:25:16
Message: <56e442ec$1@news.povray.org>
On 3/12/2016 11:57 AM, StephenS wrote:
> On 12/03/2016 12:56 AM, Mike Horvath wrote:
>> Did I mess up these two images?
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/108839565@N04/25050132394/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/108839565@N04/25654484906/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>>
>>
>> I've been using StereoPhoto Maker with default settings and the images
>> are mainly just giving me a headache instead of appearing 3D.
>>
>>
>> Mike
> It looks like your offset is to strong.
> I use about 25-30 to 1.
> 25 units from camera to object, 1 unit camera offset between pictures.
>
> Stephen S

How do you set the offset to xx? I can use the adjust and auto adjust 
but cannot see a setting for it.

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     Stephen


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From: StephenS
Subject: Re: 3D images (for Mike Horvath)
Date: 12 Mar 2016 16:46:53
Message: <56e48e4d$1@news.povray.org>
...
> How do you set the offset to xx? I can use the adjust and auto adjust
> but cannot see a setting for it.
>
In the program used to generate the two pictures (Povray), offset the 
camera 25 to 1 between pictures.

For all my anaglyphs I also move the camera_look_at by the same amount.

Stephen S


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From: Mike Horvath
Subject: Re: 3D images (for Mike Horvath)
Date: 12 Mar 2016 18:32:33
Message: <56e4a711$1@news.povray.org>
On 3/12/2016 4:46 PM, StephenS wrote:
> ...
>> How do you set the offset to xx? I can use the adjust and auto adjust
>> but cannot see a setting for it.
>>
> In the program used to generate the two pictures (Povray), offset the
> camera 25 to 1 between pictures.
>
> For all my anaglyphs I also move the camera_look_at by the same amount.
>
> Stephen S

I still don't understand. Do you mean I should separate the cameras by 1 
unit for every 25 units of distance from the target?

I actually separate the cameras by a fixed angle (5 degrees), with the 
target as the center point, instead of a linear distance. What angle 
would a 25:1 ratio be?


// Camera
#ifndef (LDXSkipCamera)
	#declare camera_eye = 1;			// -1 = no eye, 0 = left eye, 1 = right eye
	#declare LDXCamAspect = image_width/image_height;
	camera {
		location	LDXCameraLoc
		sky			LDXCameraSky
		right		LDXCamAspect * < -1,0,0 >
		look_at		LDXCameraLookAt
		angle		57.822403
		#switch (camera_eye)
			#case (0)
				#include "transforms.inc"
				translate	-LDXCameraLookAt
				Axis_Rotate_Trans(y, +5/2)
				translate	+LDXCameraLookAt
			#break
			#case (1)
				#include "transforms.inc"
				translate	-LDXCameraLookAt
				Axis_Rotate_Trans(y, -5/2)
				translate	+LDXCameraLookAt
			#break
		#end
	}
#end



Mike


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From: StephenS
Subject: Re: 3D images (for Mike Horvath)
Date: 12 Mar 2016 19:16:25
Message: <56e4b159$1@news.povray.org>
...
> Do you mean I should separate the cameras by 1
> unit for every 25 units of distance from the target?
...
Yes
The pictures reminds me of to much offset (10 to 1?).
Although there maybe other ways to get this effect.

You are using converging lines, fixed look_at.
I use parallel lines for my work, same viewing plane.
A different 'rule of thumb' may be needed.
I'm happy with my 3d effect, although not always with the subject matter ;-)

Stephen S


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From: StephenS
Subject: Re: 3D images (for Mike Horvath)
Date: 13 Mar 2016 09:46:16
Message: <56e56f28@news.povray.org>
On 12/03/2016 12:56 AM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> Did I mess up these two images?
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/108839565@N04/25050132394/in/dateposted-public/
>
...

You have a strong separation between the two color channels.
Even more pronounced because of the strong black color of the wings.

A little 3d can go along way.

The following pictures with the same first frame, have:
camera at -25y and look_at <0,0,0>
.5 units x second frame
1 unit x
2 units x

For me the first picture looks nice (50 to 1)
Second OK (25 to 1)
Third (12.5 to 1) starting to get strong, making my brain work hard ;-)

Stephen S


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: 3D images (for Mike Horvath)
Date: 13 Mar 2016 11:09:23
Message: <56e582a3$1@news.povray.org>
On 3/12/2016 9:46 PM, StephenS wrote:
> ....
>> How do you set the offset to xx? I can use the adjust and auto adjust
>> but cannot see a setting for it.
>>
> In the program used to generate the two pictures (Povray), offset the
> camera 25 to 1 between pictures.
>
> For all my anaglyphs I also move the camera_look_at by the same amount.
>
> Stephen S


That is a Duh! on my part. I was thinking about the alignment of the 
left and right images in the final image.


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Regards
     Stephen


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From: StephenS
Subject: Re: 3D images (for Mike Horvath)
Date: 13 Mar 2016 11:54:53
Message: <56e58d4d@news.povray.org>
...
> The following pictures with the same first frame, have:
> camera at -25y and look_at <0,0,0>
...
and with same look_at (converging lines).

The third one looks like the problem with ldr_small_shuttle.

Stephen S


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From: Mike Horvath
Subject: Re: 3D images (for Mike Horvath)
Date: 13 Mar 2016 12:08:58
Message: <56e5909a$1@news.povray.org>
On 3/13/2016 11:53 AM, StephenS wrote:
> ...
>> The following pictures with the same first frame, have:
>> camera at -25y and look_at <0,0,0>
> ...
> and with same look_at (converging lines).
>
> The third one looks like the problem with ldr_small_shuttle.
>
> Stephen S
>

What's weird is that the stereo renders look fine using my stereoscope, 
with the same POV-Ray settings.


Mike


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