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From: Sven Littkowski
Subject: INVITATION: Join the Mississippi Paddle-Wheel Steamer!
Date: 22 Mar 2018 03:16:46
Message: <5ab3201e@news.povray.org>
Hi folks,

I am re-creating one of the Mississippi paddle-wheel steamboats and
invite everyone who's inter, to join.

If we have artists here in this group who are good in re-creating
persons from the era 1850 to 1870 (white Americans, native Americans,
black Americans), then feel free to create a number of persons. I self
don't have the software required for such. The humans should measure
around 1.70 units (meters) tall.

Animals (horses, dogs, chickens, donkeys, pigs) are welcome, too.

Eventually I will have the cabins ready for anyone, who can re-create
rooms of that time period and wants to join. I then will publish the
room dimensions and types here.

Steam is needed.   :-)

I self will do the entire outside of the steamboat, and also create
later on all textures for the ship's outside.


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: INVITATION: Join the Mississippi Paddle-Wheel Steamer!
Date: 22 Mar 2018 21:08:24
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Le 18-03-21 à 23:16, Sven Littkowski a écrit :
> Hi folks,
> 
> I am re-creating one of the Mississippi paddle-wheel steamboats and
> invite everyone who's inter, to join.
> 
> If we have artists here in this group who are good in re-creating
> persons from the era 1850 to 1870 (white Americans, native Americans,
> black Americans), then feel free to create a number of persons. I self
> don't have the software required for such. The humans should measure
> around 1.70 units (meters) tall.
> 
> Animals (horses, dogs, chickens, donkeys, pigs) are welcome, too.
> 
> Eventually I will have the cabins ready for anyone, who can re-create
> rooms of that time period and wants to join. I then will publish the
> room dimensions and types here.
> 
> Steam is needed.   :-)
> 
> I self will do the entire outside of the steamboat, and also create
> later on all textures for the ship's outside.
> 
> 
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Something seems not correct with your ship's base : I don't think that 
there ever was any ship with both side AND rear wheel. If there where 
some, they must have been prety rare.


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From: Sven Littkowski
Subject: Re: INVITATION: Join the Mississippi Paddle-Wheel Steamer!
Date: 23 Mar 2018 03:58:23
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Update: the main deck sees a good progress.


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From: Sven Littkowski
Subject: Re: INVITATION: Join the Mississippi Paddle-Wheel Steamer!
Date: 23 Mar 2018 04:02:42
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Yes, you are right - I have no knowledge, too, of any steamer who had 3
wheels. But then again, fantasy and creativity is the key to more fun!
This one I am "building", has 3 wheels! :-)

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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: INVITATION: Join the Mississippi Paddle-Wheel Steamer!
Date: 23 Mar 2018 07:51:15
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On 23-3-2018 5:02, Sven Littkowski wrote:
> Yes, you are right - I have no knowledge, too, of any steamer who had 3
> wheels. But then again, fantasy and creativity is the key to more fun!
> This one I am "building", has 3 wheels! :-)
> 

Steampunk then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steampunk

-- 
Thomas


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From: Sven Littkowski
Subject: Re: INVITATION: Join the Mississippi Paddle-Wheel Steamer!
Date: 23 Mar 2018 10:50:56
Message: <5ab4dc10$1@news.povray.org>
Hmmm, "punk" has a negative association with me, but you still might be
correct with this term.

Have you ever worked with Poser? I want to populate the scenery. I have
so many ideas.But I have no clue, how to create the clothing of the
1850s with Poser. I want even figures like Huckleberry Finn and others
which were typical for those years on and around the Mississippi.

I also want to create these huge rafts with houses on them. Just a real
Mississippi scene, basically. Let's see how far I will reach.

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From: Sven Littkowski
Subject: Re: INVITATION: Join the Mississippi Paddle-Wheel Steamer!
Date: 23 Mar 2018 10:55:00
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Update. some "water test".


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: INVITATION: Join the Mississippi Paddle-Wheel Steamer!
Date: 23 Mar 2018 18:38:16
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On 03/21/2018 11:16 PM, Sven Littkowski wrote:
> If we have artists here in this group who are good in re-creating
> persons from the era 1850 to 1870 (white Americans, native Americans,
> black Americans), then feel free to create a number of persons.

Don't forget Chinese Americans.  They helped build the western portion 
of the transcontinental railroad during the 1860s.

There is a tricky question of historical accuracy.  The lower 
Mississippi Valley was violently segregated by race until the 1960s. 
The period you are aiming at was a tumultuous period in American 
history, and at the root was race-based slavery.

In 1853, black Americans were stripped of their citizenship by the 
Supreme Court.  Even in states where slavery was already illegal, a free 
black person could be kidnapped and sold down south, and there would no 
legal recourse.

 From 1861 to 1865, the USA fell into a vicious civil war that dwarfed 
the violence seen in Latin America during the 20th century.  Despite 
what history textbooks may tell us, the issue was slavery.

In 1865, slavery was outlawed nationwide.  However, it wasn't until 1868 
that black Americans regained their citizenship, and not until 1870 that 
they were guaranteed the right to vote.  Meanwhile violence against 
blacks continued.  In 1865 and 1866, southern states passed 
discriminatory laws, and in 1896, racial segregation was upheld legally 
by the Supreme Court.  The last of the discriminatory laws was not 
overturned until 1967.

And of course, all during the 19th century, it was open season on Native 
Americans.  They, like blacks, were viewed by most whites as subhuman 
savages with no human rights.  Most of them were forcibly driven into 
the western plains decades before 1850 (Google Trail of Tears), and it 
was unlikely that you would find one around the lower Mississippi to 
board the boat.

Given this history, please keep in mind what the seating arrangements 
must have looked like during this period--unless historical accuracy is 
not your goal.


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From: Sven Littkowski
Subject: Re: INVITATION: Join the Mississippi Paddle-Wheel Steamer!
Date: 24 Mar 2018 01:49:06
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Thanks for the information. Most was known already, but a few things
were new. And yes - of course I want authentic passengers and staff. But
tell me, how to create them? Any advises?

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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: INVITATION: Join the Mississippi Paddle-Wheel Steamer!
Date: 24 Mar 2018 03:57:36
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On 24/03/2018 01:49, Sven Littkowski wrote:
> Thanks for the information. Most was known already, but a few things
> were new. And yes - of course I want authentic passengers and staff. But
> tell me, how to create them? Any advises?
> 

Daz Studio is a free alternative to Poser. I don't know about its 
clothing capabilities. But there are quite a few sites that you can 
download free props from.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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